Brixton features in 4 page feature in Qantas flight magazine

[editor]

He's clearly saying that Editor is a massive hypocrite, whining about personal attacks one minute, whilst quite happily indulging in them himself. Is that clear enough for you, dimwit?

Nicely spun. Now imagine if those personal attacks never took place in the first place. Then I'd have nothing to react to and thus I'd be spared the charge of "massive hypocrisy" and the topic could be discussed without disruption.

Seems to me what needs sorting is the people doing the attacks in the first place, and then there'd be no need for any kind of "whining" response and the atmosphere would be better all round. Problem solved.

 

[editor]

Comprehension on this thread is strangely proportional to agreement, don't you think? You got a passive/aggressive 'like' out of it though so probably worth your effort.

TL;DR: more babbling, don't you worry about it

Wow. A passive/aggressive 'like', you say? Fascinating.

 

[Nanker Phelge]

Comprehension on this thread is strangely proportional to agreement, don't you think? You got a passive/aggressive 'like' out of it though so probably worth your effort.

TL;DR: more babbling, don't you worry about it

Are you drunk?

 

[mauvais]

Wow. A passive/aggressive 'like', you say? Fascinating.

You give up on engaging with anything I add in pretty short order, but are still there to add likes to anyone's posts if they persevere with it. So yes, that's pretty much what it is.

 

[T & P]

This one single thread has seen two long term posters leaving for good, and I fully understand why they've given up. And it's a fucking disgrace.

Of course it is appalling that anyone might feel pushed away or so displeased by the atmosphere in the forum that they don't want to post anymore here. But the blame lies pretty much everywhere, not just at the door of a handful of posters. And there are others who have left and who lay the blame on completely different posters. It's nowhere near a black and white situation. That's all I'm saying.

 

[editor]

You give up on engaging with anything I add in pretty short order, but are still there to add likes to anyone's posts if they persevere with it. So yes, that's pretty much what it is.

I think your reading a leeetle too much into things tonight. I can like things for all sorts of reasons, none of which are any of your business.

 

[twistedAM]

I am pointing out that Brixton is probably no more heavily 'promoted' than many other areas.

We might think it more hyped because we notice Brixton articles, they are brought to our attention - often here.

Brixton probably does get more cultural/tourism features than the more far-flung places like Tooting and Palace - most of the many articles on those places are mainly about housing prices with some local points of interests tagged in e.g: buy a house in Crystal Palace and drink mediocre coffee or go to a park with loads of shit 60s buildings plonked right in the middle of it. That place is beige.

 

[mauvais]

I think your reading a leeetle too much into things tonight. I can like things for all sorts of reasons, none of which are any of your business.

Of course you can. All sorts of reasons.

In any case, you're the OP of this thread, it's your argument being put forward, and if you want anything other than uncritical agreement on the subject then perhaps you should say so from the outset, or publish it as a piece sans comments. It's hardly an ad hom personal attack to respond to said thread with an opinion, which is clearly all it is, even if you try to represent it as off-topic. Especially given that for much of it, it's in general terms, not about you. I admit - not entirely.

If we set that aside, it's also funny that I can debate much the same thing with VP & others all afternoon with neither of us apparently getting particularly aggrieved by one another or resorting to, well, what you've been doing. It makes no odds to me really, it's entirely forgettable - it's just unnecessary when you could have merely argued the toss possibly quite successfully without all this other stuff. I can think of all kinds of holes in my own argument, so it's hardly rocket science.

Eh, don't bother replying, it's bedtime.

 

[editor]

Of course it is appalling that anyone might feel pushed away or so displeased by the atmosphere in the forum that they don't want to post anymore here. But the blame lies pretty much everywhere, not just at the door of a handful of posters. And there are others who have left and who lay the blame on completely different posters. It's nowhere near a black and white situation. That's all I'm saying.

I'm often recognised around town as the person that's involved with these boards so a lot of people (shopkeepers, club owners, drinkers, community people, neighbours, activists etc ) do come up and talk to me - and I hear the same complaints about the same posters again and again.

I'm not saying that there aren't some people somewhere who may be put off by my posting style, but I really am fed up with talking to people who tell me they are choosing to stay away from this forum because of a handful of posters.

I really believe that if I hadn't put some people on forced ignore these forums would be all but finished, and I think it's something that needs to be sorted out properly. And that should start with people leaving out the personal attacks.

 

[editor]

In any case, you're the OP of this thread, it's your argument being put forward, and if you want anything other than uncritical agreement on the subject then perhaps you should say so from the outset, or publish it as a piece sans comments.

Because that would fix everything.

 

[leanderman]

Brixton probably does get more cultural/tourism features than the more far-flung places like Tooting and Palace - most of the many articles on those places are mainly about housing prices with some local points of interests tagged in e.g: buy a house in Crystal Palace and drink mediocre coffee or go to a park with loads of shit 60s buildings plonked right in the middle of it. That place is beige.

How rude!

Dalston is the 'spotlighted' place in today's ES property section:

 

[editor]

Dalston is the 'spotlighted' place in today's ES property section:

Yes. And...?

 

[choochi]

I'm not even slightly angry but thanks for your concern. And thanks for jumping in with that point about Streatham too. Decisive, it was. Now where do I sign up for the Streatham foodie tour? I've got £70 burning a hole in my pocket here!

Since you asked... Streatham Food Tour - Streatham Food Festival

E2a I see I am a day late with that one. Oh well back to reading the rest of this riveting thread.

 

[editor]

Since you asked... Streatham Food Tour - Streatham Food Festival

E2a I see I am a day late with that one. Oh well back to reading the rest of this riveting thread.

You are indeed late. And it's already been pointed out that the two things aren't even remotely comparable. But thanks for your efforts, anyway.

 

[twistedAM]

How rude!

Dalston is the 'spotlighted' place in today's ES property section:

Yeah Palace has been featured in that before. All the newcomers who recently bought property there get really excited by shit like this and another mediocre restaurant opening every month or so.

 

[choochi]

You are indeed late. And it's already been pointed out that the two things aren't even remotely comparable. But thanks for your efforts, anyway.

You're welcome

 

[editor]

Here's some fresh tourist-luring bullshit from a posh travel mag:

The neighbourhood of Brixton in South London gets a bad rap, or at least it did until the city’s young, creative community moved in a few years ago and jazzed it up. Now it’s known more for idiosyncratic pop-ups, tantalisingly tasty tuckers and a vivid music scene than its lurid past. Under the newly polished surface however, exists the raw energy and cultural nuances that gave it its spark in the first place and a combination of old and new prove to create a melting pot of all things creatively intriguing.
About us | SUITCASE Magazine

Thank heavens for the 'city’s young, creative community' creating a 'vivid music scene.' Hurrah!

 

[twistedAM]

Yes. And...?

I think leanderman was giving an example of how areas get hyped mainly though property prices. brixton went through that phase a couple of years ago when property was still affordable (by ES standards) compared to some other areas. Now a different breed of journos are focussing on things to do now that everyone knows Camden and Shoreditch are shit

 

[BigMoaner]

if we tolerate this, thornton heath will be next.

 

[editor]

I think leanderman was giving an example of how areas get hyped mainly though property prices. brixton went through that phase a couple of years ago when property was still affordable (by ES standards) compared to some other areas. Now a different breed of journos are focussing on things to do now that everyone knows Camden and Shoreditch are shit

Dalston's been hyped to death for an eternity: "In 2009 Vogue Italia declared Dalston the trendiest, coolest, most caldissimo neighbourhood in London."

Apparently it was all over three years ago: From boho to Bugaboo bland: is this the death of Dalston?

 

[BigMoaner]

it's getting crazy to think where this will all end. Everyone is talking about housing, in London anyway. something's going to go pop, somehwere along line.

 

[editor]

it's getting crazy to think where this will all end. Everyone is talking about housing, in London anyway. something's going to go pop, somehwere along line.

Please let the landlords and estate agents get it in the neck first.

 

[editor]

A friend of mine works double, sometimes triple, shifts around Brixton for a minimum of five days a week, and pays over half of her income on rent. Many of my friends are in a similar position. Some have to squat just to make ends meet, or live in really shitty flatshares. It's obscene.

 

[BigMoaner]

it's a problem of housing, of a monopoly money like housing market, with people just using it as an invesment. even the banker twat with a 600k pad in brixton is really just a pawn, and he'll even be priced out eventually. what needs to be worked out is why prices are travelling upward so relentlessly, and so quickly all across london and try to change the mechanism that allows it. if you buy a place in london you should either rent it out or live in it yourself, would help for a start. if developers want to build flats, rules should be in place for a higher amount of social housing provided by said development, not a tiny percentage. protect rents. etc, etc. anything that is in place now CLEARLY is not working, so the structure of the beast needs further changing - all pretty obvious. hipster bars and wealthy creatives are just a symptom. it needs political change, not less beards.

 

[BigMoaner]

i've blathered on about this before, but i always think the local schools are interesting when it comes to gentrification. there are always a good few exceptions, but the schools in these gentrified areas still are massively working class. it's that sort of "edgy when it suits us, but it's too edgy for my kids thank you very much" that gets on my tits, that division, that inequality, that using an area as a symbol of status and "coolness" but fleeing it just when you could really be part of the community by, ya know, raising a child in the local schools and the area. when schools are truly reflective of the communities they find themselves in, my respect for these wealthy incommers will double. i know people leave an area for a variety of reasons when they have kids, but, trust me, a great deal of these yuppies wouldn't send their dog to the local school, let alone entertain it for their darling off spring.

 

[leanderman]

it's a problem of housing, of a monopoly money like housing market, with people just using it as an invesment. even the banker twat with a 600k pad in brixton is really just a pawn, and he'll even be priced out eventually. what needs to be worked out is why prices are travelling upward so relentlessly, and so quickly all across london and try to change the mechanism that allows it. if you buy a place in london you should either rent it out or live in it yourself, would help for a start. if developers want to build flats, rules should be in place for a higher amount of social housing provided by said development, not a tiny percentage. protect rents. etc, etc. anything that is in place now CLEARLY is not working, so the structure of the beast needs further changing - all pretty obvious. hipster bars and wealthy creatives are just a symptom. it needs political change, not less beards.

If you think the housing crisis is bad now, imagine what it will be like in 2024, when the population of London is set to be 13.7 per cent higher. Today's ES (again)

 

[CH1]

How rude!

Dalston is the 'spotlighted' place in today's ES property section:

Ashwin Street has perked up. I used to have to go to a dingy factory building there for meetings about voluntary sector training funding from the ESF (European Social Fund for Brexiteers). Back in the days when 336 Brixton Road offered training for disabled people.

I remember Ashwin Street as warehouse type business premises being recycled into a second life for voluntary sector and arts organisations - but by no means smart. The Evening Standard photo makes it look clean, green, airy and cafe oriented.

 

[editor]

i've blathered on about this before, but i always think the local schools are interesting when it comes to gentrification. there are always a good few exceptions, but the schools in these gentrified areas still are massively working class. it's that sort of "edgy when it suits us, but it's too edgy for my kids thank you very much" that gets on my tits, that division, that inequality, that using an area as a symbol of status and "coolness" but fleeing it just when you could really be part of the community by, ya know, raising a child in the local schools and the area. when schools are truly reflective of the communities they find themselves in, my respect for these wealthy incommers will double. i know people leave an area for a variety of reasons when they have kids, but, trust me, a great deal of these yuppies wouldn't send their dog to the local school, let alone entertain it for their darling off spring.

The lack of integration and the creation of a two-tier Brixton, firmly divided along money lines, is what depresses me most about the recent changes.

 

[CH1]

I know this thread is about Quantas Inflight Magazine - but since we got onto the Standard property section I feel morally obliged to point out that the Standard has awarded their Best Regeneration Project award to Stockwell Park Walk (jointly with Portobello Square, Notting Hill)

The paper has a photo which I don't wholly recognise - with the legend "Stockwell Park Walk: left, Netweork Housing is behind a complete makeover for an unloved council estate in SW9.

The text in the web edition (no photo) reads:
Joint winner: Stockwell Park Walk, Stockwell SW9 by Network Housing
Post-war council estates are an endangered species, unloved by today’s politicians and town planners who can’t wait to bulldoze them in favour of shiny new neighbourhoods offering a mix of tenures. Stockwell Park council estate lies next to a coveted conservation area and is being given a complete makeover.

Greening-up work involves fresh landscaping, along with upgraded play areas and a “graffiti pen” for young residents, as well as new community spaces where disused garages once stood.
A new 20-storey high-rise block with 75 private flats has a splendid communal roof garden.

London Evening Standard New Homes Awards special: the winning new-build homes you need to know about

Personally I feel more dubious about the Standard's musings than anythjing said in a Quantas Magazine. Aftrer all the Quantas reader is simply staving off the boredom of a 12 hour flight whereas the Standard Property section is perpetuating urban myths:

"unlovded council estate in SW9" - this needs a detailed meta-analysis. Gramsci?

 

[isvicthere?]

Here's some fresh tourist-luring bullshit from a posh travel mag:
Thank heavens for the 'city’s young, creative community' creating a 'vivid music scene.' Hurrah!

These articles always piss me off for many reasons, but mainly the way they casually dismiss the area before it came under their radar, when it was creative and vivid (in the real, as opposed to estate agent, definition). But then, as I've said many times, that's when these "lifestyle" writers and their audience were too scared to come down here.