SpamMisery
Pretty comfortable here right under your skin
And were at the "name calling" stage 
Brixton features in 4 page feature in Qantas flight magazine
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leanderman
Street Party: July 2
I said that I doubt alleged 'promotion' in a smattering of publications has much or any impact.
sealion
Conformity is the last refuge of the unimaginitive
Not another posh Burger bar.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
SpamMisery
Pretty comfortable here right under your skin
Actually, if you think about it, advertising Pop Brixton and the Village is genius for flights from Australia - we always need more bar staff
editor
hiraethified
That's nice. But seeing as Brixton has been widely featured in London, national and international media, what is your point?
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
In my experience over the last 30+ years, the only people who ever really stayed away from Brixton were provincials and suburbans who believed what the newspapers told them.
I'd actually contend that what we see now visiting Brixton is a far more homogeneous social group than ever before - the monied middle-class.
Treacle Toes
Time
I once saw London Fields and Hackney feature in the inflight magazine for Easyjet...it didn't help us locals at all...it encouraged the gentrification.
leanderman
Street Party: July 2
I am afraid you've lost me there
editor
hiraethified
Stockwell has a bigger population (14,777) than East Dulwich (12,321), Dalston (10,722) and Balham (14,751). Camberwell is only marginally bigger (15,032). Is there a point to your increasingly unfocussed ramblings?
Your original claim was very clear ("I am pointing out that Brixton is probably no more heavily 'promoted' than many other areas"), but now you seem to be backtracking all over the place.
BigMoaner
What A Load of Old Bollocks
i thoght of Brixton fondly this week after a visit to a small town up north, where if you order anything but chicken tikka massalla from the menu they look at you as if you are mad, where one bloke i met called indian food "paki food", and the local fake American dinner is seen as the height of experiencing world cuisine.
stethoscope
Well-Known Member
Where? Not wanting to call bullshit but I live these days in a small northern town and we have Italian, Spanish, Thai, Chinese, Indian, and more recently a Caribbean place opened up. I don't know any northern town that doesn't have at least an Indian and Chinese which is established. As well as plenty of more trad British takeaways and pubs.
Sounds more like anti working class sneery shit (despite your protestations that you are working class and hate gentrification) which puts you right at home here on the Brixton forum tbh.
stethoscope
Well-Known Member
This thread is a fucking disgrace btw - a new low for the privileged mob piling into Ed. So, Brixton forum finally goes on ignore.
isvicthere?
a.k.a. floppybollocks
^^^^this times a trillion.
isvicthere?
a.k.a. floppybollocks
Whatever you call them (I quite like "cunts") Brixton was more interesting when they were scared to come down here.
isvicthere?
a.k.a. floppybollocks
Seriously cheap shot, with a side order (gastronomic term for all you "foodie" twats) of disingenuousness.
isvicthere?
a.k.a. floppybollocks
A lot of the posts on here are redolent of "I'm not racist, but..."
"Whilst may be gentrification an issue..."
"Although local businesses being driven out by rapacious landlords with the connivance of the council has its downsides..."
&c. &c. &c.
"Whilst may be gentrification an issue..."
"Although local businesses being driven out by rapacious landlords with the connivance of the council has its downsides..."
&c. &c. &c.
mauvais
on reddit or something
This whole thing - it's primarily tourism. Are tourists gentrifiers, or the product of gentrification? There's a feedback loop of course, but I think at best it's an enabler of something that's already happening.
Meanwhile this is a site that arguably promotes Brixton in a similar way, with just a little bit of class & economic distance between its focus and the article's. Plus a site that I think loses some of those 'affordable' credentials when evangelising £600 mobile phones on rotation, and whatever else, but has a problem with, what, cocktails and popular boho eateries because they're symbols of a pattern that may play out negatively in your own lives. It's not quite traditional NIMBY is it, but there's a whiff of it. There's a legit complaint in there somewhere but it doesn't seem to have materialised properly.
All this whilst London as a whole rots, is a pulsing beacon for national inequity, and is barely accessible to a lot of people anyway - including M/C tourists - not already engaged somehow in its satirical pyramid scheme.
Why not compile a list of what it is and isn't acceptable to do with a given amount of disposable income?
Meanwhile this is a site that arguably promotes Brixton in a similar way, with just a little bit of class & economic distance between its focus and the article's. Plus a site that I think loses some of those 'affordable' credentials when evangelising £600 mobile phones on rotation, and whatever else, but has a problem with, what, cocktails and popular boho eateries because they're symbols of a pattern that may play out negatively in your own lives. It's not quite traditional NIMBY is it, but there's a whiff of it. There's a legit complaint in there somewhere but it doesn't seem to have materialised properly.
All this whilst London as a whole rots, is a pulsing beacon for national inequity, and is barely accessible to a lot of people anyway - including M/C tourists - not already engaged somehow in its satirical pyramid scheme.
Why not compile a list of what it is and isn't acceptable to do with a given amount of disposable income?
isvicthere?
a.k.a. floppybollocks
A regular little Jonathan Swift, aren't we?
mauvais
on reddit or something
I'm not even clear where Urban draws its own line.
Like this, from the thread on popup restaurants: In photos: Barrio Brixton, a Latin-themed restaurant/bar opens in Acre Lane, Brixton
So it's what, fine to give that and its £9 cocktails publicity as long as it's local publicity for local people? I guess Australian IPs are blocked. Or is it just because they're down-to-earth £9 cocktails and not the excesses of a champagne bar - is that where the bar is set?
Like this, from the thread on popup restaurants: In photos: Barrio Brixton, a Latin-themed restaurant/bar opens in Acre Lane, Brixton
So it's what, fine to give that and its £9 cocktails publicity as long as it's local publicity for local people? I guess Australian IPs are blocked. Or is it just because they're down-to-earth £9 cocktails and not the excesses of a champagne bar - is that where the bar is set?
Manter
Lunch Mob
Great description!
Manter
Lunch Mob
I kind of see your point, but (and I know you and I have had this conversation before) I really struggle with the vitriol. Apart from the fact you don't persuade anyone of anything by shouting at them, I think a good/interesting conversation often gets lost in here because everyone retreats to entrenched positions and abuse. There has to be a way where mixed communities can thrive alongside one another? I don't know what that is (I'm no specialist in urban development) but I'd love to have a conversation about it. Never seems possible here- disappointingly as there are real experts on here, and people with interesting perspectives- because it instantly dissolves into sneering and a slanging match.
T & P
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Let me get this straight. Anyone who has ever travelled abroad by air to visit another country is a cunt in your book?
Wow
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hiraethified
Just listen to yourself. What the fuck does people talking about phones got to do with this debate? Explain yourself please.
My phone costs £260, by the way. Is that OK with you? What does that entitle me to talk about?
editor
hiraethified
So, you've brought up expensive mobile phones but drew a bit of a blank there, so now you're bringing up an article I wrote on another site in another cheap attempt to have a pop at me. If you bothered to read the article, I pointed out that the cocktails are "priced very much at nu-Brixton market rates (£8.50/£9 a go)." That's not a compliment, you know, not that it's got anything to do with what 'urban' supposedly thinks, or the topic under discussion.
Oh, and this notion of 'urban' drawing 'it's own line' - like it's some sort of single entity with a party line - is beyond embarrassing.
OK, so that's £600 phones and Buzz covered. What are you going to dredge up next?
mauvais
on reddit or something
A big chunk of this place is, or certainly historically has been, an uncritical celebration of technology and technology consumerism. That's so self-evident that it doesn't really need demonstrating, but I can if you like?
So it's bleakly amusing to me that kind of consumerism is fine, and indeed when I've criticised those aspects of this place in the past it's not been well received. But if you take that cash over to wherever you live and want to fritter it away on a different flavour of consumerism - cocktails or craft beer or aspirational cheese, even outright hipster bollocks if you like - then for the same outlay you're suddenly the enemy.
Now they are different things. Gentrification is not simple consumerism, and I'm sure you have a valid complaint about that. But this expression of it seems to be inconsistent and contradictory. If you're having a go at anyone it's apparently people in much the same boat that spend their money slightly differently. That's basically barking at your own tail.
Drawn a blank in the six minutes between your posts? What is this, internet High Noon?
Not that it matters, but you posted it on here actually. Brixton food news: new restaurants, pop ups, cafes and more
And I did read it all. It's a pretty positive review that would encourage most people to go there, me included, in contrast to your more negative comment about the chain/price nature of it on these boards.
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hiraethified
An 'uncritical celebration'? Nope, that's a big fat lie right there.
Has there been robust debate on technological developments - yes. Has urban's tech forums helped a lot of people sort out tech problems - yes. Is an expensive mobile phone the exclusive preserve of the wealthy - no. Are the tech forums solely concerned with expensive gear - no. For many, mobile phones - whatever their price - are an essential work/life tool.
So what's the fuck has any of this got to do with tourism, gentrification and Brixton? Why are you even bringing it up?
Ah, the ad hominem approach, again, all delivered from that comfort blanket of anonymity.
It seems this kind of disruptive, personalised sniping is just about all your capable of these days. Sad, really.
mauvais
on reddit or something
Is it not? Who else can afford a £629 phone?
What are you complaining about in the OP? Tourism? Expensive things? People with money? The increasingly middle class, consumerist nature of Brixton? All of that has to do with wealth and consumerism, but it comes in many flavours.
What does this even mean?
That's a beautifully self-contained bit of hypocrisy. Perhaps you can evidence it?
editor
hiraethified
I've really no idea what you're on about, who has bought this £629 phone or what any of it has to do with this Brixton or this discussion.
