Britain's biggest morons burn cardboard Grenfell Tower on bonfire

[Pickman's model]

You want them physically attacked?

Reread the post

Do I say "I want them attacked"

 

[existentialist]

You want them physically attacked?

What makes you think that? Seems to be a certain amount of...willing affrontedness going on around here.

 

[Poi E]

You want them physically attacked?

Burn down the House

 

[treelover]

Reread the post

Do I say "I want them attacked"

No, but wanting the car numbers as well, what is that about

btw, Busetti is an Italian surname, so they must have originated elsewhere, sort of ironic, or that they have no shame,

 

[Pickman's model]

No, but wanting the car numbers as well, what is that about

As I say, I should have done a screen grab before the sun pixellated

 

[Magnus McGinty]

No, but wanting the car numbers as well, what is that about

btw, Busetti is an Italian surname, so they must have originated elsewhere, sort of ironic, or that they have no shame,

Yeah, there’s literally no examples of Italian racists or fascists.

 

[treelover]

I meant they originate from another country, Italy, doesn't stop them being fascist though of course.

 

[GarveyLives]

(Source: www.dailymail.co.uk)​

It may also be worth the forum's legal experts considering whether the two men aged 49 and the others aged 19, 46 and 55 have committed any offences relating to malicious communications under the Communications Act 2003 (or similar legislation).

Well, with that lot arrested and shamed on social media I hope a strong message has been sent out to fascists everywhere. This sort of behaviour is just not on, really.

Are those allegedly involved in this incident, who reportedly include Bobbi Connell, 19, his father Clifford Smith, 49, and neighbour Paul Bussetti, 46, and Mark Russell, 49, really likely to be bothered by what is said on 'social media'?

The incident occurred in the middle of South Norwood - a multi-racial area, and one of those allegedly involved is said to be resident in nearby West Norwood, also a multi-racial area, albeit less so than in the recent past. The institution on South Norwood Hill opposite Tesco which is said to be regularly frequented by one of those involved is walked past by hundreds - if not thousands - of 'ethnic minorities' daily.

At least one report makes reference to a neighbour hearing the use of 'fake Jamaican accents' during the 'party' at which the filmed incident took place.

Are they really likely to be bothered about the feelings of those on 'social media', when they appear not to have any respect for humanity?

 

[Athos]

... no, it's not prejudiced to reflect personal experience and knowledge of some people from some areas.

Unless you are now trying to argue that Eltham doesn't have that kind of rep and my own experiences of racist attitudes there are invalid?

It depends on what you mean by 'reflect.' Somebody 'reflecting' their exerience of some people by generalising about others can very easily amount to prejudice. Similarly, reliance on a 'rep' which might be little more than a lazy stereotype could be the result of prejudice.

When someone's own expriences and 'knowledge' of some people lead them to make assumptions about others that are not supported by the evidence, that's pretty much the definition of prejudice. In which regard, it's interesting to note that the boroughs at which people have (wrongly) pointed the finger e.g. Greenwich, Bromley, Croydon, Bexley actually have fewer recorded race and religion hate crimes than, say, Tower Hamlets.

These people are horrible racist cunts, but, quite apart from it being inaccurate, the speculation about where they're from is a shit and politically counter-productive way to view the world (IMO, depends on your politics of course).

ETA: This isn't a defence of Magnus McGinty's point; I think he over-reached by suggesting that such crude stereotyping is anti-working class.

 

[treelover]

Therse people are horrible cunts, but, quite apart from tit being inaccurate, the specualtion about where they're from is a shit and politically counter-productive way to view the world (IMO, depends on your politics of course).

This sort of politics seems dominant at the moment, Angela Nagle has written about it.

 

[existentialist]

Are those allegedly involved in this incident, who reportedly include Bobbi Connell, 19, his father Clifford Smith, 49, and neighbour Paul Bussetti, 46, and Mark Russell, 49, really likely to be bothered by what is said on 'social media'?

The incident occurred in the middle of South Norwood - a multi-racial area, and one of those allegedly involved is said to be resident in nearby West Norwood, also a multi-racial area, albeit less so than in the recent past. The institution on South Norwood Hill opposite Tesco which is said to be regularly frequented by one of those involved is walked past by hundreds - if not thousands - of 'ethnic minorities' daily.

At least one report makes reference to a neighbour hearing the use of 'fake Jamaican accents' during the 'party' at which the filmed incident took place.

Are they really likely to be bothered about the feelings of those on 'social media', when they appear not to have any respect for humanity?

No, they probably won't be bothered by the feelings themselves. But they will have realised that a LOT of people will have strong feelings, and they may also realise that it would take only a very, very tiny percentage of those to want to take some kind of direct action to make life very uncomfortable.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

Of course I'm sure the tabloids who are now expressing such outrage will be taking this opportunity to consider their own victim-blaming over Grenfell, impersonation of survivors and so on, as well as their relentless racism, islamophobia and immigrant-bashing over many years which might possibly have something to do with creating a culture in which the far right think this is only a slight step away from popular consensus.

I'm sure they'll be right on that.

 

[treelover]

No, they probably won't be bothered by the feelings themselves. But they will have realised that a LOT of people will have strong feelings, and they may also realise that it would take only a very, very tiny percentage of those to want to take some kind of direct action to make life very uncomfortable.

That could also be said about Jihadi Terrorists, or Choudary, etc.

 

[Mrs Miggins]

I think the most we can hope for is some general shunning from people who know them and from their families. One of the grandads has already shown his cards so let's hope there are other decent people around them who will now see them for who they are and treat them accordingly. Social pressure can be very powerful. How much effect it will have on them and how long it will last is impossible to say.

 

[cupid_stunt]

Are those allegedly involved in this incident, who reportedly include Bobbi Connell, 19, his father Clifford Smith, 49, and neighbour Paul Bussetti, 46, and Mark Russell, 49, really likely to be bothered by what is said on 'social media'?

The incident occurred in the middle of South Norwood - a multi-racial area, and one of those allegedly involved is said to be resident in nearby West Norwood, also a multi-racial area, albeit less so than in the recent past. The institution on South Norwood Hill opposite Tesco which is said to be regularly frequented by one of those involved is walked past by hundreds - if not thousands - of 'ethnic minorities' daily.

At least one report makes reference to a neighbour hearing the use of 'fake Jamaican accents' during the 'party' at which the filmed incident took place.

Are they really likely to be bothered about the feelings of those on 'social media', when they appear not to have any respect for humanity?

I doubt they will worry about social media, but OTOH I am sure they will be worried about being featured in all the national papers & on all the TV news bulletins.

 

[MrSki]

I expect they have taped up their letter boxes & are bricking it.

 

[Guineveretoo]

As others have said, what can the police charge them with?

I would hope that if widely identified, they might end up receiving some old fashioned social pressure in their local community but given the kind of people they probably are, their social circle most likely contains more people like them than not like them. But they must all live somewhere and I can 't believe that everyone in their neighbourhoods would think this is ok.

It transpires that I know lots of people in their neighbourhood. And none of them think this is okay.

In fact, the neighbours have had a pretty shit day, with journalists from the Sun and the Daily Mail and others repeatedly knocking on doors, and quoting and misquoting what people are saying when they’re told that these wankers are their neighbours.

 

[Pickman's model]

I meant they originate from another country, Italy, doesn't stop them being fascist though of course.

You do know there have been Italian people / people of Italian descent in London for centuries, right? You're quite a little 'kipper in your own way

 

[mx wcfc]

You do know there have been Italian people / people of Italian descent in London for centuries, right? You're quite a little 'kipper in your own way

Romanes Eunt Domus!

 

[Guineveretoo]

Just cos someone is a member of their local conservative club doesn't make them Tories, these fuckers may well be, but Con Clubs are just drinking clubs like working man's or ex-servicemen's places and are AFAIK not affiliated to the Conservative party.

They are affiliated to the Conservative Party. Or, at least, the South Norwood one is.

Although it has changed its name, and repainted itself, and is running music nights and the like, in an attempt to draw in more people because South Norwood is a pretty lefty ward.

 

[cupid_stunt]

Personally I think enough is enough, the police should release these twats, send a file to the CPS, and stop wasting their resources.

There's real crimes that need focusing on.

 

[T & P]

I tend to agree with the sentiment in this piece...



Is it now a crime to be a twat?

If they are charged it’d be interesting to see if the charges relate to public order offences (outraging public opinion/ causing extreme offence and so on), or race/ hate speech (defamation of Muslims, using such terms such as ‘ninjas’ to describe them, using brown-faced effigies etc).

But irrespective of whether it is one or the other, if they were to be charged and then convicted, wouldn’t that create some sort of jurisprudence on the criminally of such language? Because I’m pretty sure the likes of Katie Hopkins have said stuff over the years that is as bad as these cunts have, if not far worse. What a tragedy if she were to get a criminal conviction.

 

[Guineveretoo]

Interwar rubbish. Built like crap.

They are really well built terraced houses, actually, with decent sized rooms. Although small kitchens.

I’ve just deleted the rest of my post because I remembered that some scum journalists frequent this site and I don’t want to be quoted!!!

 

[mx wcfc]

Personally I think enough is enough, the police should release these twats, send a file to the CPS, and stop wasting their resources.

There's real crimes that need focusing on.

Sort of agree. I expect they are terrified of reprisals, and may have "work related problems" for a while. No sympathy from me on that, but if even one of them loses their job, and they end up as social pariahs for a few months, that will be a bigger punishment than anything a court will hand down.

 

[cupid_stunt]

If they are charged it’d be interesting to see if the charges relate to public order offences (outraging public opinion/ causing extreme offence and so on), or race/ hate speech (defamation of Muslims, using such terms such as ‘ninjas’ to describe them, using brown-faced effigies etc).

But irrespective of whether it is one or the other, if they were to be charged and then convicted, wouldn’t that create some sort of jurisprudence on the criminally of such language? Because I’m pretty sure the likes of Katie Hopkins have said stuff over the years that is as bad as these cunts have, if not far worse. What a tragedy if she were to get a criminal conviction.

I doubt they will be charged.

And, I bet £100 to the server fund, that if they are, they will not be convicted.

 

[Poi E]

Must be a breach of parole conditions for them.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

They are affiliated to the Conservative Party. Or, at least, the South Norwood one is.

Although it has changed its name, and repainted itself, and is running music nights and the like, in an attempt to draw in more people because South Norwood is a pretty lefty ward.

Not to be a total doubter, the only Con Club I have ever been in, Thirsk, had no connections and the South Norwood one make no mention of the Conservative part on their website at all, bar a note that Winston Churchill popped in once. And Neil Morrissey.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Personally I think enough is enough, the police should release these twats, send a file to the CPS, and stop wasting their resources.

There's real crimes that need focusing on.

They're clearly just reacting to the publicity.

I'm not quite sure they even know what crime they're investigating here. What were they searching for exactly, and what was the justification for doing that search? I would have thought the argument those present would give would be that they at no point intended anything they said to be broadcast publicly, and I'd have thought that they would get off for that reason.

As others have said, the publicity is the punishment here.

 

[Guineveretoo]

Not to be a total doubter, the only Con Club I have ever been in, Thirsk, had no connections and the South Norwood one make no mention of the Conservative part on their website at all, bar a note that Winston Churchill popped in once. And Neil Morrissey.

That’s because they’re trying to distance themselves for financial reasons.

I looked into this recently because someone told me that it was no longer affiliated, and I knew that wasn’t true.

But if you try and join the club, it all comes out, and you have to agree to be bound by the rules of the Conservative Party. Check it out.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

That’s because they’re trying to distance themselves for financial reasons.

I looked into this recently because someone told me that it was no longer affiliated, and I knew that wasn’t true.

But if you try and join the club, it all comes out, and you have to agree to be bound by the rules of the Conservative Party. Check it out.

Would rather not, tbf.