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You imply it here: People seem to forget that Marie has been through almost the same shit as Skylar but she still remains a fuck lot more interesting and funny, granted that's because she's a bit mental.
in fact you imply it in every post, her character doesn't live up to your expectations constantly and you blame the writers, her fatness (not so much this year, that was last years misogynistic entry) and her perceived dullness. Which is sort of the point. From dull domestic bliss to Scarface...
 
Structaural said:
You imply it here: People seem to forget that Marie has been through almost the same shit as Skylar but she still remains a fuck lot more interesting and funny, granted that's because she's a bit mental.
in fact you imply it in every post, her character doesn't live up to your expectations constantly and you blame the writers, her fatness (not so much this year, that was last years misogynistic entry) and her perceived dullness. Which is sort of the point. From dull domestic bliss to Scarface...
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This might be a difficult thing to understand but just because I don't warm to Skyler's character but do warm to Marie's doesn't make me think the world should all be Maries and no Skylars, that is the reasoning of an idiot, likewise not warming to Skyler doesn't mean I don't think she should be in the show, on the contrary she is essential to it.

I've never mentioned her weight once, I simply mentioned the quite obvious botox, which unfortunately has the side effect of making peoples faces seem more robotic.
 
belboid said:
your description fits neither her arc nor her arch. Your hatred of women positively shines through here
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in what way is it reasonable to leave your husband after your affair because you suspect he might be doing something untoward but have no evidence off, when you do know for a fact they are dying of cancer...

ever had a family member die of cancer, ever wondered if just maybe that might have affected them a little more than usual and that if their actions seem more unreasonable in the normal light of day but under the duress of cancer and sudden death they might become less stable and need well what's the word... oh yes support...

If the boot was on the other foot he'd be a cunt for not dealing with her cancer and putting his personal feelings aside because his partner was dying...

Clearly you're a total fuckwit if you cannot understand this, why you and butchers constantly seek to compare others to your own women hating stances in life is dishonest and frankly sickening... you have issues with women... but seemingly you have wider issues with empathy too...

that's some fucked up shit...

i do hope no one you know ever gets cancer... It'd be a pity to put them through the hell of your own selfish umming and ahhing about how their illness effects you as sklyer has done in this series and you clearly feel affinity there too which would be tragic in real life to put someone terminally ill through that because you've decided to feel wounded about their illness...

you, like skylers character, can't seemingly understand that once you've got a friend or relative diagnosed with a terminal desise it no longer is about you any more you selfish cunt, it's about them and their wishes even if their wishes are entirely unreasonable... you don't get to limit them or control their death... that's not your choice....

The fact you have zero empathy for that or for Walt character and can see no issue in the entirely non empathic nature of skylers beavhuour marks you down as a cunt... a nasty piece of work really... all said and done...

belboid said:
we dont argue, i point and laugh
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you speak of yourself in the third person... another sign of delusion...

The fact that since relapse Walt has turned into a monster is in part due to being cut adrift by the person he'd expected to be shoulder to shoulder with him during his dying days, when it turns out he's alone in all this he becomes hardened... tough for anyone in that situation but worse for the person dying of the illness... unless you are some kind of unfeeling monster...
 
Ted Striker said:
She's an accountant? Just how crazy and un-pragmatic do you want her to be?

Her only discredit theoretically, is the lack of balls/morals for eventually colluding with Walt and helping him run the business (though as a viewer it was encouraging!)
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no she wasn't she's a bookkeeper. who up until walt was dying sold shit on ebay... and did nothing... but hey that's misogynistic... apparently...
 
revol68 said:
Saying she looks botoxed is not misogynistic, anymore than saying Michael Jackson looked a bit pale and waxy is racist.

maybe you need to understand that not liking or even hating one particular woman does not equal misogyny.

we can have a discussion about characters, arguing their merits and failings and all come to wildly different opinions based on our own personalities, what we find attractive or likable, what we find contemptuous in a person and what we find dull, but shouting misogynist at people like a hysterical loon is just silly, and a little bit like you are trying to hard to be seen as a "nice guy".
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It's not about liking a particular person or not, tho, is it? It's about the rationale behind that dis/like. And there are distinct differences between how women and men are judged. Anna Gunn is clearly not botoxed, nor is her character, so to go on and on about her botoxed dead eyed husk of a face tells us something. What else does she do thats wrong? The main sin seems to be allowing someone other than her legal husband to have intercourse with her! How absolutely awful, she must die! It doesn't matter that the husband she has effectively already lost (seeing as he is very much not the same man she married anymore) has been actively, determinely and massively lying to her when she thought he was 'simply' ill and distraught. For sleeping with someone else, she is evil. She dared to be indepenbdent of her husband! What a witch.

I am, likely, being a bit harsh on you, judging your bog standard sexual stereotyping in with garf's mysogyny tho
 
belboid said:
It's not about liking a particular person or not, tho, is it? It's about the rationale behind that dis/like. And there are distinct differences between how women and men are judged. Anna Gunn is clearly not botoxed, nor is her character, so to go on and on about her botoxed dead eyed husk of a face tells us something. What else does she do thats wrong? The main sin seems to be allowing someone other than her legal husband to have intercourse with her! How absolutely awful, she must die! It doesn't matter that the husband she has effectively already lost (seeing as he is very much not the same man she married anymore) has been actively, determinely and massively lying to her when she thought he was 'simply' ill and distraught. For sleeping with someone else, she is evil. She dared to be indepenbdent of her husband! What a witch.
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Eh, I don't like her cos she's dull, I already said the Ted storyline threatened to make her more interesting but it dropped off. The problem for me isn't that she is selfish, or cheated, my problem is that she is gutless, she has neither the guts to take a moral stand or break bad and give up her faux moral outrage and piety. She is a conservative character through and through.

The botox thing just reinforces her dullness. Her face looks more robotic from season 2 and this feeds into my thoughts on the character.

And seriously I have no idea how you could claim there was no botoxing going on, she looked like a female Funkhouser for much of the show.
 
I've never dated someone whose a book keeper, into the whole law and order thing and gets her kicks selling stuff on ebay in bed. I'm sure many women on here would find a man who does that unattractive as well. Sklyar just strikes me as having a bit of a Tea Party thing going on.

However, it strikes me BB is very male in its rabid following. The only women I know who are into it are frogwoman and one woman I know irl. Maybe Skyalr is just getting in the way of things and that's why all the blokes who want action hate her.

i think she's a good character at the end of the day though. You don't have to like the character's persona to realise the role they in the drama.
 
twistedAM said:
I've never dated someone whose a book keeper, into the whole law and order thing and gets her kicks selling stuff on ebay in bed. I'm sure many women on here would find a man who does that unattractive as well. Sklyar just strikes me as having a bit of a Tea Party thing going on.

However, it strikes me BB is very male in its rabid following. The only women I know who are into it are frogwoman and one woman I know irl. Maybe Skyalr is just getting in the way of things and that's why all the blokes who want action hate her.

i think she's a good character at the end of the day though. You don't have to like the character's persona to realise the role they in the drama.
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Exactly, she's a dull nag, and that's precisely her role. We were meant to be seduced by the criminality and action just like Walt, now however we are being shown Walt going proper mental and we sympathise with Skyler.

I do think Breaking Bad has a more male viewing base, though the female friends I know that watch it aren't fans of Skyler, because lets face it she's a dull OCD book keeper, a one women craic vacuum.
 
I'm a girl and Skylar gets right on my left nut.

She is greedy and selfish, if she didnt want to see Walt in this, she should have left him properly - straight off. She took one look at the pile of money and turned.

I have watched all four seasons in three weeks so its really fresh in my mind. I think she had a little lip work done after season one. I also think she put a little weight on, it suits her. irl I suspect she is quite sexy, but in this she feels sexless. A blank.

Cant quite place my finger on her recent weirdness. Was it the horror of the nursing home bomb and the escalating trouble Walt seems to be getting into, or was it just the Ted stuff? Either way, she seems to hate Walt more than ever.

She'll hold all the cards at the end, you mark my words.
 
belboid said:
aah, bless
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the whole compulsion of the show, the thing that drives the plot is Walt breaking bad, it's what moves us further and further up the food chain of the drug production, Skyler is the anchor on that, the conservative figure/reactionary figure who wants to put the genie back in the bottle, she is happy with the money but doesn't want to know about what lies under the surface.

There's a whole fuck ton of "hidden abode of production" references through out Breaking Bad.
 
belboid said:
If that's all you think it's about, I pity you. Wholly superficial. But I cant be arsed tonight
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Do I think that's all it's about as a show?

Ofcourse not but it's a constant underlying theme, on a reading at that level Skyler wants to preserve the facade of bourgeois respectability and morals, which is only one of the reasons she annoys me.
 
belboid said:
It's not about liking a particular person or not, tho, is it? It's about the rationale behind that dis/like. And there are distinct differences between how women and men are judged. Anna Gunn is clearly not botoxed, nor is her character, so to go on and on about her botoxed dead eyed husk of a face tells us something. What else does she do thats wrong? The main sin seems to be allowing someone other than her legal husband to have intercourse with her! How absolutely awful, she must die! It doesn't matter that the husband she has effectively already lost (seeing as he is very much not the same man she married anymore) has been actively, determinely and massively lying to her when she thought he was 'simply' ill and distraught. For sleeping with someone else, she is evil. She dared to be indepenbdent of her husband! What a witch.

I am, likely, being a bit harsh on you, judging your bog standard sexual stereotyping in with garf's mysogyny tho
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I'll have quotes which prove my so called misogyny on this thread you little hysterical liar...


No where I have incidentally commented on her looks, her potential botoxedness or not her eyes dead or other wise anything about her looks... I have commented on her behaviour and said why it's not good, it's not been treated in isolation from the behaviour of her husband it has been treated in light of her charchter and her story arch within the series and surprise surprise women seem to agree with me.

You on the other hand are nasty mendacious misrepresenting hyperbole spouting, hysterical lunatic who see's mysogeny in my behaviour not because there is any ounce of it but because you don't like me as a poster, largely because on every occasion I've pointed out your psotings aren't made with anything otehr than the aforementioned bullshit attached...

you're a mysandrist and you revel in it playing the misogyny card all over the shop whenever you're pulled up on your disgusting postings and mental twisting of every discussion in to some massive sexual politics lunacy...

It's a tv show to all intents and purposes skyler doesn't have a gender.... it (not he or she) doesn't exist... as a fictional character... for you to then insinuate that someones dislike of the actions taken by a character is frankly a betrayal of the entire feminist movement reducing very salient and tangible issues of gender inequity throughout the world to whether someone likes cartoon a or b...

grow the fuck up and treat the topics you toss about with gaye abandon with the fucking respect they deserve you fucking joker...
 
GarfieldLeChat said:
I'll have quotes which prove my so called misogyny on this thread you little hysterical liar...
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you're a hate filled mysogynist spewing bile everywhere you go. Nothing you say has any relevance to anything other than your own mental instability. Goodnight
 
Thinking about it, it’s actually probably more about age than anything else – at least in young revol’s case. Boring Skyler getting in the way of the exciting drug action.

But the drugs are, in reality, secondary. It’s not really a programme about drug dealers, or getting caught up in the excitement of it. It’s actually about family (bourgeois or otherwise), and how far one will go to protect them (and that’s not just true of Walt, its about Skyler, Ted and he rest of them). It’s about asking when did Walt really break bad? Which of his multiple misdeeds was really over the line? He’s a manipulator of the lowest kind, no one is left out of his cold and grasping games, his family, his colleagues, I would say his friends but he has none. We may admire the ingenuity of his schemes, but that’s different to being ‘seduced’ by it.
 
belboid said:
you're a hate filled mysogynist spewing bile everywhere you go. Nothing you say has any relevance to anything other than your own mental instability. Goodnight
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hate filled. nope.
spewing bile every where I go, yup if it's funny... that's the point of life to laugh...
Nothign I say has any relevance is this why you cannot at any point actually engauge with it or response reasonably to it...

or is it in reality that to do so would mean you're own world view where you consider people in the manner you have above shows you to be a little warped as a human being... seriously, it's a TV show.

you're claiming my commenting on the characters actions is directly misogynistic yet cannot cite a single example of this...
 
belboid said:
Thinking about it, it’s actually probably more about age than anything else – at least in young revol’s case. Boring Skyler getting in the way of the exciting drug action.

But the drugs are, in reality, secondary. It’s not really a programme about drug dealers, or getting caught up in the excitement of it. It’s actually about family (bourgeois or otherwise), and how far one will go to protect them (and that’s not just true of Walt, its about Skyler, Ted and he rest of them). It’s about asking when did Walt really break bad? Which of his multiple misdeeds was really over the line? He’s a manipulator of the lowest kind, no one is left out of his cold and grasping games, his family, his colleagues, I would say his friends but he has none. We may admire the ingenuity of his schemes, but that’s different to being ‘seduced’ by it.
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well there is the fact that I'm more interested in The Wire aspects than the Brothers and Sisters shit. Shows dealing with family issues etc are ten a penny, shows dealing with the networks around a commodity (legal or illegal) and it's interrelations across wider society are much rarer, so forgive me when my interest wanes when Skyler starts whining on about getting the car wash story straight. If I want to watch a show about unappreciated suburban housewives I'll put Mad Men on, atleast the unfulfilled housewives in it are more interesting than Skyler.
 
Never watched Brothers and Sisters, but you do seem to be missing the point wholesale. It's about humans in extremes, the lengths we go to. Not just 'unfulfilled housewives.'
 
belboid said:
Never watched Brothers and Sisters, but you do seem to be missing the point wholesale. It's about humans in extremes, the lengths we go to. Not just 'unfulfilled housewives.'
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no mate you're missing the point of the show... and alot else besides it appears...

it's about one person and his overcoming of his illness and the life he ends up with because of the consequences he makes...

know how I know that... cos that's what the fucking guy who writes it constantly says it's about...

everything else is shit you bring to the table to apparently air your wacky Misandrst conspiracy theories out to air, again.... seriously .... TV SHOW...
 
belboid said:
Never watched Brothers and Sisters, but you do seem to be missing the point wholesale. It's about humans in extremes, the lengths we go to. Not just 'unfulfilled housewives.'
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Thanks for stating the banal, I don't think I ever suggested it was only about 'unfulfilled housewives', thankfully Skyler and her inanity is only one part of the show, no matter how necessary it is.
 
revol68 said:
Thanks for stating the banal, I don't think I ever suggested it was only about 'unfulfilled housewives', thankfully Skyler and her inanity is only one part of the show, no matter how necessary it is.
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Where did I use the word 'only'?

At least you're not as bad as garf, who does think its about one thing and one thing only.
 
belboid said:
Where did I use the word 'only'?

At least you're not as bad as garf, who does think its about one thing and one thing only.
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do you even understand drama?

ffs there's a main protagonist who we only ever see the other characters through their retelling of the story based on the incidents through their eyes....

all other characters are supporting the main charterer... fuck me you're sooo stoopid it's unreal...

again still rather than these sustained and off topic attacks awaiting your one shred of proof of the allegations you've thrown around...

care to post the evidence belboid...
 
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