Breaking Bad (CONTAINS SPOILERS)
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revol68
what, fucking what?
She looks botoxed, her face has got a damn sight less expressive from the first series.
Her character is so suburban, her concept of morality still so caught in conservatism and hypocrisy that it's hard to warm to her. Her sister is a more sympathetic character by some distance. Skylars world is the family unit and the petit bourgeois banality of accounting and then a car wash and we see no indication that she wants more than that, whilst with her sister we get a sense of longing for something more, for meaning, hence her fantasies and shoplifting. Carmela Soprano had this aspect to, in her religion, her trip to Paris etc
twistedAM
Left Of The Dial
I don't think she is botoxed. She was looking quite good and healthy in the first episode but the second coming of Ted B and Walt morphing into Gus has made her scared, very scared.
Meanwhile Walt is definitely dyeing his goatee.
twistedAM
Left Of The Dial
It's called acting dude.
Good to see Marie come back into it. I think there's some history between those two to be explained ie why Skylar is so damn sensible and she's a bit flighty. At least one if not both of them will help bring down their man.
revol68
what, fucking what?
No it seems to be at the detriment to the acting, or maybe we are meant to see her as clammed up and cold since series 2, but either way it makes it hard to warm to her character as she seems so robotic most of the time.
Maybe that' it Skylar is sensible to the point of boring the fucking life out of you, whilst Marie has more crazy about her that makes her interesting.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
Utter bollocks. Her face is rather more restricted in movement now because she is scared of Walt, she is in almost permanent fear. She remains as still as possible when he is around. Its called good writing and acting.
As for no indication of wanting more than a bourgeois life, go back and watch the beginning again, she was way more alive and had plenty of dreams and desires. She has been ground down by Walt. His lies and violence have made her what she is. He's the hateful character.
Ted Striker
Foot's on the other hand
She's an accountant? Just how crazy and un-pragmatic do you want her to be?
Her only discredit theoretically, is the lack of balls/morals for eventually colluding with Walt and helping him run the business (though as a viewer it was encouraging!)
Her only discredit theoretically, is the lack of balls/morals for eventually colluding with Walt and helping him run the business (though as a viewer it was encouraging!)
revol68
what, fucking what?
What dreams, she was a boring accountant then and she's a boring owner of a car wash now. I'm trying to actually think of her being funny at any time. The writers haven't given her any other dimensions than being a worrier and the sensible one, there were a few moments when I thought they'd develop her character in other directions (mostly around the Ted sub plot) but everytime they drop it. If there is sexism it lies more with the writers failure to flesh her out beyond the troped out to fuck worrying wife.
And no her face went unexpressive as far back as season 2 where she wasn't in fear of him.
It's not a matter of who is good or bad, it's a matter of who is interesting, sure Walt is a very very very bad man, but he is still funnier and more compelling than Skylar. Likewise Marie is a handle short of a teapot and makes up mental lies but again is a far more interesting character than Skylar.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
Gee, I wonder why she wasn't being the missing Marx Sister? Can't be anything to do with worrying about her husband dying of cancer, then finding out he is a lying shitbag who doesnt trust her, or finding out he is actually the biggest drug dealer in town, and her brother-in-law is trying to hunt him down. Couldn't be anything to do with being made into his accomplice, and then nearly killing somebody, could it?
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
shallow little boy
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
Why should she be funny?
twistedAM
Left Of The Dial
Yeah. She got really excited when she was doing an eBay auction in bed. i went off her right there.
Talking of dreams and desires there was on particular flashback (series1 i think) when it showed a young Walt & Skylar moving into their crappy FLW-copy suburban home. She said something like, "with your job we won't be here for long" and then obviously all went to shit as Walt had to leave the company, got a job well below his ability and they;re still in suburban hell.
twistedAM
Left Of The Dial
Everyone else has had their comedy moments, except possibly her materialist offspring Walt Jr.
revol68
what, fucking what?
Exactly, all these other characters have plots of their own, they are involved in the plot, they are following their own paths, Skylar doesn't have that, she just wants everything to stop and go back to normal, to the suburban family unit. She's had a few moments when she's not been restricted to that role and that made her interesting but the writers never seem to follow through on it, which to be fair is more to do with realism, in staying consistent to her character. It's quite simply that pragmatic, sensible, coupled with a cowardly half way house morality doesn't make for a character I can warm to much. That's not misogyny that's simply a subjective response.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
EEEUUUNNNGGGHHH
revol68
what, fucking what?
nah even he's been funny a few times.
People seem to forget that Marie has been through almost the same shit as Skylar but she still remains a fuck lot more interesting and funny, granted that's because she's a bit mental.
Also can people stop talking about Skylar like she's a real person, she is a fiction, invented by writers.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
That's utter rubbish, but never mind.
She's not interesting, or particularly funny. She isn't even really in it any more, because she was a fairly dull character (walt Jr being even duller)
revol68
what, fucking what?
coming from the cunt who took pleasure in a drug addicts body not being found for nearly a week because they happen to come from a rich family.
revol68
what, fucking what?
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
You're taking about her in the same way
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
I havent gone on about her being fat, botoxed and hateful, have I? Learn what words mean before you try to use them in a sentence.Can I scream misogyny at you now?
Stick to the likes of Avatar and Sucker Punch, they're more your level.
revol68
what, fucking what?
You're taking about her in the same way
eh no, I've on quite a few occasions pointed out that it's to do with the role written for her. Screaming misogyny at someone for not warming to a fictional character is to act like a hysterical loon.
Structaural
in Chatsubo
People are different. Though in revol's world only men are different and all women should be the same. Well he does identify with Catholicism, those wonderful champions of women's rights.
Walt fucked her dreams by giving up on that business and becoming a suburban teacher. He's the suburban schmuck. She's also brought up two kids, one of which needed extra care. And one of which she breastfed and cared for 100% while her husband was god knows where doing fuck knows what. How interesting do you think a middle-aged full-time mother can get?
Walt fucked her dreams by giving up on that business and becoming a suburban teacher. He's the suburban schmuck. She's also brought up two kids, one of which needed extra care. And one of which she breastfed and cared for 100% while her husband was god knows where doing fuck knows what. How interesting do you think a middle-aged full-time mother can get?
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
Pointing out that particular criticisms of a woman - fat, botoxed, hateful - are mysogynistic is hardly 'screaming'. That you say so indicates rather strongly that you realise I am actually right, as you try and back away from your daft, sexist, comments.
BigTom
Well-Known Member
Fwiw in terms of dreams there's at least one reference to Skylar wanting to write short stories in s1 but i don't think it's picked up on later.
I also don't see why she should be funny, there's scenes like the baby shower in s1 where she's shown having fun.
But over time she's been worn down by Walt, firstly through not knowing, thinking he's had an affair etc, then through knowing both what he is doing (esp killing gus) and from her involvement.
I also don't see why she should be funny, there's scenes like the baby shower in s1 where she's shown having fun.
But over time she's been worn down by Walt, firstly through not knowing, thinking he's had an affair etc, then through knowing both what he is doing (esp killing gus) and from her involvement.
revol68
what, fucking what?
I never mentioned fat, and I said botoxed because she does look botoxed, I read enough of my friends Grazia's to know when I see it.
I don't know how you can disagree that Skylar is pragmatic, sensible and has the kind of cowardly half way house morality so typical of conservatives. This is why I don't like her, she is the middling sort.
revol68
what, fucking what?
Yes all women should be the same, were the fuck did I say that.
And the suggestion that a middle aged full time mother can't be more interesting than Skylar, jesus.
Oh and I don't identify with catholicism, it's simply that protestants have no souls.
revol68
what, fucking what?
Saying she looks botoxed is not misogynistic, anymore than saying Michael Jackson looked a bit pale and waxy is racist.
maybe you need to understand that not liking or even hating one particular woman does not equal misogyny.
we can have a discussion about characters, arguing their merits and failings and all come to wildly different opinions based on our own personalities, what we find attractive or likable, what we find contemptuous in a person and what we find dull, but shouting misogynist at people like a hysterical loon is just silly, and a little bit like you are trying to hard to be seen as a "nice guy".
twistedAM
Left Of The Dial
She said something very interesting to Skylar in the car wash about Hank. She's a loose cannon. She might come into it more. According to imdb she's in the next five episodes.
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