Brady's, Brixton (Railway Hotel): history, chat and plans

[teuchter]

Maybe urban75 needs some input from a rebranding consultant?

 

[editor]

I think the argument is more along the lines that everyone at Wahaca will not have seen or heard of your websites and of those that have, many won't care about them or will actively avoid them.

I'm still trying to work out exactly why they would seek to avoid Brixton Buzz given (a) its huge popularity and (b) the fact they've received more publicity there than anywhere else.

In their interview they say that, "We’ve read a lot about the recent new openings and new concepts that people living in the area don’t feel fit with Brixton’s vibe or community" - and here's the crucial bit:

But while others have avoided the debate by simply ignoring it – often at their peril – Mark and co-founder Tommi Miers have been drawing up a menu of community engagement that they hope will set them apart.

So where is this debate taking place?

 

[editor]

No, I'm saying that many people aren't aware that U75 exists, and then lots of people can't access the site via a work server.

My comments had nothing in particular to do with Wahaca / Brady's.

I've no doubt that some people can't access the site via a server when they're at work, but I'm not sure what relevance it has here unless you believe that no one from Wahaca has ever been able to access any part of Brixton Buzz or urban75 at any point.

 

[Spymaster]

So where is this debate taking place?

Elsewhere I assume. Unless U75/BB are the only places where such debate is to be had?

Chances are that Wahaca have business advisors (great guys ) or switched-on directors who have read and anticipated the tone of your piece on BB (which links to here), taken a look at the Brixton forum and its often Nimby, agenda-driven nature, and have sensibly advised the Wahaca guys to stay the fuck away from your sites.

You just don't feature in their plans, and discourse with you would almost certainly be counterproductive to their aims. Business-wise, the upside of conversing here is severely limited, whilst the potential downside is enormous (see OTC).

Disappointing for you I'm sure, that the owners of Wahaca seem a lot more savvy than Jennie. Whodathoughtit?

Any new business-people thinking about setting up in Brixton, whose target markets or business models aren't 'Urban75 Approved', would have to be on mind-bending drugs to engage with your websites!

Turkeys don't vote for Xmas and Wahaca really don't need U75/Brixton Buzz approval to fill their restaurants (even though they're shite, imo).

 

[Rushy]

I'm still trying to work out exactly why they would seek to avoid Brixton Buzz given (a) its huge popularity and (b) the fact they've received more publicity there than anywhere else.

In their interview they say that, "We’ve read a lot about the recent new openings and new concepts that people living in the area don’t feel fit with Brixton’s vibe or community" - and here's the crucial bit:

So where is this debate taking place?

Where do they say they are involved in the debate? They say that they have read the debates, listened to the arguments and chosen a route forward which they hope navigates the very polar opinions of people who feel strongly about Brixton. I'm sure that they are under no illusions that they can please everybody.

 

[Rollem]

ha-ha! Came on here to find out what everyone thought about Wahacca opening up

Leave knowing that nothing in the world of U75 has changed that much....

 

[leanderman]

I'm failing to see why they would not want to engage with Brixton Buzz, given its huge local popularity.

You shouldn't believe what you read in the Mail!

 

[ViolentPanda]

They'd be absolutely bonkers to.

If I was opening a business in Brixton that didn't fit your tightly defined template of acceptable, which is easy to work out, I wouldn't come near your websites. Why bother with the hassle

Well, it'd only be a bad move if such a business had no capability to defend itself, and was actually guilty of any (tightly defined) unacceptability?
And isn't all publicity supposed to be good publicity?

 

[ViolentPanda]

Post 891 makes the Editor's position quite clear!

''Wouldn't it simply be divine if the well heeled folks from the edgily named Brady's block in Brixton Square could toodle across to Wahaca and enjoy a Brady's Burrito? That would work on so many levels of nu-coolness''

I do hope you're not claiming to have never indulged in the odd fit of sarcasm yourself!

 

[Spymaster]

Well, it'd only be a bad move if such a business had no capability to defend itself ...

.... or no need, Veeps.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I'm so tired of your sneer->mock disbelief at reaction->denial->victimisation spiel. Leanderman quite clearly quoted your stance

I'm fairly wearied by the fact that your posts are never anything except tedious sniping at a handful of posters.

 

[ViolentPanda]

.... or no need, Veeps.

Be honest, since when has there been a case where business has had "no need" to defend itself, Spy?
While I'm not a member of the "guilty until proved innocent" school, I do think that there's an issue in areas like Brixton of new businesses/the turnover of new businesses disrupting locales. Sure, I know it's part of "regeneration" (as the planners like to call it), but it sits a bit hard, especially when you're aware that some of the people cheerleading this "regeneration" are in it not only for the locale, but for the padding of their own pockets.

 

[madolesance]

Anyone been to Blaka Jacks yet? Heard it's pretty good.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Elsewhere I assume. Unless U75/BB are the only places where such debate is to be had?

Chances are that Wahaca have business advisors (great guys ) or switched-on directors who have read and anticipated the tone of your piece on BB (which links to here), taken a look at the Brixton forum and its often Nimby, agenda-driven nature, and have sensibly advised the Wahaca guys to stay the fuck away from your sites.

You just don't feature in their plans, and discourse with you would almost certainly be counterproductive to their aims. Business-wise, the upside of conversing here is severely limited, whilst the potential downside is enormous (see OTC).

Disappointing for you I'm sure, that the owners of Wahaca seem a lot more savvy than Jennie. Whodathoughtit?

Any new business-people thinking about setting up in Brixton, whose target markets or business models aren't 'Urban75 Approved', would have to be on mind-bending drugs to engage with your websites!

Despite your ego, turkeys don't vote for Xmas and Wahaca really don't need U75/Brixton Buzz approval to fill their restaurants (even though they're shite, imo).

Business advisors - almost as low as estate agents, and as parasitic as mistletoe.

 

[Spymaster]

Business advisors - ******* as parasitic as mistletoe.

Yep.

 

[Spymaster]

Be honest, since when has there been a case where business has had "no need" to defend itself, Spy? While I'm not a member of the "guilty until proved innocent" school, I do think that there's an issue in areas like Brixton of new businesses/the turnover of new businesses disrupting locales. Sure, I know it's part of "regeneration" (as the planners like to call it), but it sits a bit hard, especially when you're aware that some of the people cheerleading this "regeneration" are in it not only for the locale, but for the padding of their own pockets

Most businesses, particularly local retail outfits, don't survive if they're not popular. Wahaca know full well that there's a demographic in Brixton who'll be knocking their door down. What they have "no need" to do is to come onto seriously hostile websites to attempt to justify their existence or expansion.

On the rest of your point, this is a restaurant renovating and occupying a long disused and rotting premises, not some mobile phone shop pushing out a traditional high street business. Sure they're in it for the money, most businesses are, but it's not like it won't be used by locals.

 

[Mr Retro]

The thing with most businesses, particularly local retail outfits, is that if people don't use them they don't survive. Wahaca know full well that there's a demographic in Brixton who'll be knocking their door down

If it's as good as the original was when I tried it years ago I'll eat there a lot. Really good reasonably priced Mexican food? Yes please.

 

[leanderman]

Most businesses, particularly local retail outfits, don't survive if they're not popular. Wahaca know full well that there's a demographic in Brixton who'll be knocking their door down.

Yet, at the same time, Casa Morita, which was set up by locals, is to pull back from the Mexican food side and become a bar - or so I was told.

 

[Winot]

Wahaca know full well that there's a demographic in Brixton who'll be knocking their door down.

Now there's an ambiguous statement!

Walked past today and had my first proper look at the paint job. Looks pretty dreadful to me, and unnecessary. They should have let the building speak for itself.

That said, it's great that the building is finally being put to use and I'm sure that corner will be improved as a result.

 

[Ms T]

It's nearly finished by the looks of it. They were working on it last night when I went past at around 8.30 on my way home from work, and this morning at 7am (on my way to work (((me)))).

 

[ViolentPanda]

Most businesses, particularly local retail outfits, don't survive if they're not popular. Wahaca know full well that there's a demographic in Brixton who'll be knocking their door down.

Because their business advisors told them so?

What they have "no need" to do is to come onto seriously hostile websites to attempt to justify their existence or expansion.

Good job no-one is asking them to, then, as wondering why them don't interact isn't quite the same as desiring them to "justify" themselves.

On the rest of your point, this is a restaurant renovating and occupying a long disused and rotting premises, not some mobile phone shop pushing out a traditional high street business. Sure they're in it for the money, most businesses are, but it's not like it won't be used by locals.

That depends on what you mean by "locals", frankly. If you mean the core long-term residents of the area, then many of them probably won't be indulging in Wahaca's faux-Mexicano "dining experience". If you're talking about recent incomers who have money to spare on dining out, then of course they will - it's just another indicator of how "vibrant" the place they've moved to is, another notch that allows the property developers and other exploitative shitbags to ratchet up prices.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Yet, at the same time, Casa Morita, which was set up by locals, is to pull back from the Mexican food side and become a bar - or so I was told.

And I bet Casa Morita don't spell Oaxaca phonetically, either.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Now there's an ambiguous statement!

Walked past today and had my first proper look at the paint job. Looks pretty dreadful to me, and unnecessary. They should have let the building speak for itself.

That said, it's great that the building is finally being put to use and I'm sure that corner will be improved as a result.

Unless someone accidentally drives into it and knocks the door down.

 

[Spymaster]

Good job no-one is asking them to, then, as wondering why them don't interact isn't quite the same as desiring them to "justify" themselves.

Lol! Did you read the OTC thread? That's exactly what it became.

And I bet Casa Morita don't spell Oaxaca phonetically, either.

That hadn't occurred to me.

 

[editor]

Now there's an ambiguous statement!

Walked past today and had my first proper look at the paint job. Looks pretty dreadful to me, and unnecessary. They should have let the building speak for itself.

That said, it's great that the building is finally being put to use and I'm sure that corner will be improved as a result.

I don't think anyone can disagree with that. It's nothing short of criminal the way that building was left empty for so long. Lambeth's conduct in this whole affair was disgraceful too.

 

[editor]

So I took a look inside and could find no trace of anything that brought to mind any element of the old Brady's.

However - as if to rub our faces in it - they've put the name The Railway above the door. For a brief moment I thought they'd changed their minds and put the pub back.

 

[ChrisSouth]

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So I took a look inside and could find no trace of anything that brought to mind any element of the old Brady's.

However - as if to rub our faces in it - they've put the name The Railway above the door. For a brief moment I thought they'd changed their minds and put the pub back.

Nice picture. I think it does the refurb and the added vibrancy justice.

 

[Winot]

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So I took a look inside and could find no trace of anything that brought to mind any element of the old Brady's.

However - as if to rub our faces in it - they've put the name The Railway above the door. For a brief moment I thought they'd changed their minds and put the pub back.

So you don't like the lack of remnants inside and you don't like the presence of remnants outside?

 

[editor]

So you don't like the lack of remnants inside and you don't like the presence of remnants outside?

I don't like being fed BS.

 

[Brixton Hatter]

I quite like the paint job and I'm glad the building is back in use, albeit not as a pub.

It was full of people the other day quaffing expensive-looking cocktails. 'Staff orientation' I guess. Opens tomorrow.

Thanks to whoever it was for the update about the yard round the back getting planning permission for a market. The gate was open the other day so I went in and had another look. It's quite big. I didn't realise the yard went all the way round on to Atlantic Road. The massive shutters on Atlantic Road (next to the 'Stones' household shop) is the other entrance: