best clash song
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stethoscope
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Renounced what?
More meaningful songs as opposed to catchy tunes about nothing really. The clashes political equilivents are the Fabiens, abit of a safety valve really.
Great songs, but the rebellion bit was all about selling records rather then any genuine sentiment.
They renounced the upper middle class birth by their anti materialism and political stance.
How can you live in a mansion and sing asbout revolution.
Mr Moose
What the hell are we supposed to tell the kids?
I don't agree. Some great Billy Bragg moments. Some great Crass shoutalongs. I bet you like some right crap. Name something and I'll laugh at it.
Youre more of a cold play man ?
who knows? but people manage it.
They dont own it though, its a community resource thats the difference.
stethoscope
Well-Known Member
Oh well that makes all the difference then.
Of course it does, the difference between people being real or not is their attitude to money, fame etc.
Its was all too easy at that time for record companies to con kids by marketing rebellion.
MellySingsDoom
Decimated by the shrapnel of his rhetoric
Mr Moose
What the hell are we supposed to tell the kids?
Well it probably does tbf. They do seemed to have tried to live a life around their progressive principles. Not much more any of us can do. No reason they can't have a building with a lawn.
stethoscope
Well-Known Member
I was just amused by his line of argument really.
Upper middle class band renounce their background, live by some ideals, release some records. Class and capital continue to turn.
So the criticism of the Clash from that perspective seems pretty weak.
Upper middle class band renounce their background, live by some ideals, release some records. Class and capital continue to turn.
So the criticism of the Clash from that perspective seems pretty weak.
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The Cathars were right
And what evidence is there of Strummer or Jones being beguiled and motivated by the trappings of wealth and fame? You actually give any scrutiny to what they actually did after the Clash and it tells the opposite tale.
For myself, I can't think of anything more thoroughly (upper) middle class than imagining that one somehow builds any kind of meaningful opposition to capitalism and the powers that be by going off and living in a commune.
For myself, I can't think of anything more thoroughly (upper) middle class than imagining that one somehow builds any kind of meaningful opposition to capitalism and the powers that be by going off and living in a commune.
Im not into labels. Ive been many things, a child,a catholic, a soldier, a forester, a biker, a traveller,a cunt at times to someone that I loved a heavy weight I will carry forever, a father, a martial artist/submission wrestler, the list goes on.
Such things are aspects of ourselves but not us, our integrity is esentially who we are. You cannot be whole as a person/at one with yourself without it.
Thus you cannot own a white mansion and really sing about white riots, its an oxymoron.
Thats not to say the clash were not nice boys.
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The Cathars were right
MellySingsDoom
Decimated by the shrapnel of his rhetoric
News just in - when the Clash wrote and were performing "White Riot", they were living in squats etc.
ATOMIC SUPLEX
Member Since: 1985 Post Count: 3
The clash suck balls.
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The Cathars were right
Remind me what shit group you were in again?
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
MellySingsDoom
Decimated by the shrapnel of his rhetoric
Re. Blagsta's post: anyone else remember Penny Rimbaud's "we had a healthy relationship with the British Movement" comment in a 1989 interview with John Savsge? The words "unbelievably pisspoor naviety at the very least" don't even begin to sum that up...
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The Cathars were right
Oh aye, certainly remember that....
MellySingsDoom
Decimated by the shrapnel of his rhetoric
Yes - and take this as you will as being either a "we fucked up" admission or a shameless piece of revisionist history re-writing - but Steve Ignorant in his book states that they should've given the nazis a slap themselves - instead of leaving it to the London-based Squadists and (later) members of Conflict and The Apostles* to do this work for them.
*I've recently heard some weird/disturbing things about the Apostles, though....
*I've recently heard some weird/disturbing things about the Apostles, though....
MellySingsDoom
Decimated by the shrapnel of his rhetoric
Anyway, getting back on topic, here's another fine moment for me by the Clash:
Libertad
Sparking up a rollie in the Reichstag
Were you there? You're spouting shit pal.
I know Terry Chimes, hes the most sanctimonious twat you could meet, youre not him are you?
Libertad
Sparking up a rollie in the Reichstag
No, I'm a far greater sanctimonious twat than he.
