Bash the Rich!

[lights.out.london]

Were any rich actually bashed?

 

[The Black Hand]

Oh dear, some muppet has gone and booked his coach for the wrong day!

This is why you should never let men do anything without checking it for them first.

I agree

 

[The Black Hand]

Good post

No its not - its shite

 

[GuruYoghourt]

I am.

Funnily enough I am saying these things as somebody who is not promoting the event cos I live in a different part of the country a long long way away from where it is taking place...

Your critique is not so much critique - more jumbled mess - you said "We have rich and poor because we have class-divided society. To attempt to ameliorate that situation without addressing the cause of that situation is doomed to failure." But you could quite easily say that 'we have class divided society because we have rich and poor' which to me makes more sense cos I am looking up from below at the class structure around and above me.

You are not at all clear, and you are full of wishful thinking...

Over the years, on boards like these, I have met many people like you. Sophists. Some clever. Some not so clever. Some very stupid. Some even more stupid than you. But what I've learned is that you can never win an argument with a truly stupid person. All you can do is offer them a cure. In your case I prescribe a cursory study of human history with specific reference to the origins of private property not as a fact of society, but rather as the basis of society. Should you grasp that then you will no longer place the cart before the horse.

 

[Dillinger4]

Over the years, on boards like these, I have met many people like you. Sophists. Some clever. Some not so clever. Some very stupid. Some even more stupid than you. But what I've learned is that you can never win an argument with a truly stupid person. All you can do is offer them a cure. In your case I prescribe a cursory study of human history with specific reference to the origins of private property not as a fact of society, but rather as the basis of society. Should you grasp that then you will no longer place the cart before the horse.

Ahh. The man with all the answers.

Please, Educate us all.

 

[GuruYoghourt]

Ahh. The man with all the answers.

Please, Educate us all.

I only have 73% of the answers, I'm afraid.

 

[Dillinger4]

I only have 73% of the answers, I'm afraid.

Thats not a high enough percentage for you to pass judgment, proscribe cures and pretend like you actually have a claim to know everything.

 

[GuruYoghourt]

Thats not a high enough percentage for you to pass judgment, proscribe cures and pretend like you actually have a claim to know everything.

None of which I've done. Don't blame me if YOU feel inadequate.

 

[GuruYoghourt]

What is it with some of you? Had a sense of humour bypass, huh? Jeez. It's only a bit of SWP-bashing. It's not like they're ever going to even be a footnote in history.

 

[joer90]

your right we need to get rid of capitalism thanks for stateing the odvious you twat! who runs capitalism? who makes the laws? owns the factorys? locks us up?................. the rich thats who thats why were having a pop at them whats your answer to capitalism? what you guna do about it? fuck all i suspect.....................

 

[Wolveryeti]

Thats not a high enough percentage for you to pass judgment, proscribe cures and pretend like you actually have a claim to know everything.

Except for the fact that in this case he is actually right

 

[GuruYoghourt]

Actually, before anyone else points it out, it's not this thread I'm bashing the SWP in. This thread is where I'm bashing anarchists. I do get confused about who I'm bashing, sometimes.

 

[Wolveryeti]

your right we need to get rid of capitalism thanks for stateing the odvious you twat! who runs capitalism? who makes the laws? owns the factorys? locks us up?................. the rich thats who thats why were having a pop at them whats your answer to capitalism? what you guna do about it? fuck all i suspect.....................

Rather the rich than the mob.

 

[GuruYoghourt]

your right we need to get rid of capitalism thanks for stateing the odvious you twat! who runs capitalism? who makes the laws? owns the factorys? locks us up?................. the rich thats who thats why were having a pop at them whats your answer to capitalism? what you guna do about it? fuck all i suspect.....................

Hey! Who's an aggressive chappie? I'll tell you what, kid. A bunch of so-called anarchists staging a risible theatrical performance is no threat whatsoever to the ruling class. In fact, if people like that didn't exist the ruling class would employ people to stage such displays, just to sidetrack those who are actually concerned about effecting meaningful change.

You see, you need to understand how flexible, adaptable and capable of absorbing dissent capitalism is. Anarchists rioting outside the World Trade Centre? No threat. Aeroplanes aimed at buildings? Not a problem. The only possible threat to the status quo is the working-class understanding why capitalism can never work in their interests, and why they must overthrow it and replace it with a classless, stateless, moneyless society based on common ownership and democratic control of the means of production. When the working-class have that understanding, and rise up to end capitalism, not reform it with some ludicrous leftist state-capitalist dictatorship, then, and only then, will the ruling class have something to worry about. That's what I work for. And you're in the way.

 

[Dillinger4]

It seems that I have jumped in without really reading any of the thread.

I only posted because GY comes across as an arrogant moron.

 

[GuruYoghourt]

It seems that I have jumped in without really reading any of the thread.

I only posted because GY comes across as an arrogant moron.

Well, if you bother to read what I've written I'm sure that you'll retract the 'moron' bit. As for being arrogant, thanks very much.

 

[Dillinger4]

Well, if you bother to read what I've written I'm sure that you'll retract the 'moron' bit. As for being arrogant, thanks very much.

Nah. The more I read, the more it seems like you have nothing to say. Oh and it wasn't a compliment, you don't seem to have much to be arrogant about.

 

[lights.out.london]

A bunch of so-called anarchists staging a risible theatrical performance is no threat whatsoever to the ruling class.

You see, you need to understand how flexible, adaptable and capable of absorbing dissent capitalism is. Anarchists rioting outside the World Trade Centre? No threat. Aeroplanes aimed at buildings? Not a problem. The only possible threat to the status quo is the working-class understanding why capitalism can never work in their interests, and why they must overthrow it and replace it with a classless, stateless, moneyless society based on common ownership and democratic control of the means of production.

When the working-class have that understanding, and rise up to end capitalism, not reform it with some ludicrous leftist state-capitalist dictatorship, then, and only then, will the ruling class have something to worry about.

My edits.

I'm inclined to agree with you.

joer90 is a lovely guy, IRL. No need to talk down to him. He can cope with the arguments. No need to name call.

 

[invisibleplanet]

Hey! Who's an aggressive chappie? I'll tell you what, kid. A bunch of so-called anarchists staging a risible theatrical performance is no threat whatsoever to the ruling class. In fact, if people like that didn't exist the ruling class would employ people to stage such displays, just to sidetrack those who are actually concerned about effecting meaningful change.

That's not anarchism, that's a sinister situationist vanguard, innit

 

[GuruYoghourt]

Nah. The more I read, the more it seems like you have nothing to say. Oh and it wasn't a compliment, you don't seem to have much to be arrogant about.

So. Anything to contribute, aside from nastiness?

 

[Dillinger4]

Only to second this:

<snip>
No need to talk down to him. He can cope with the arguments. No need to name call.

*leaves thread*

 

[GuruYoghourt]

Only to second this:



*leaves thread*

Well, you know, I think I've been extremely gentle considering some of the things I've been called today.

 

[The Black Hand]

Over the years, on boards like these, I have met many people like you. Sophists. Some clever. Some not so clever. Some very stupid. Some even more stupid than you. But what I've learned is that you can never win an argument with a truly stupid person. All you can do is offer them a cure. In your case I prescribe a cursory study of human history with specific reference to the origins of private property not as a fact of society, but rather as the basis of society. Should you grasp that then you will no longer place the cart before the horse.

You stupid twat.

'Property is theft' is the famous slogan from the 19th century and we aim to abolish commodities my friend (but not things or the ability to make them). Serious revolution. A complete change in perception as well in the way capitalist society is run.

I have learned that you are a truly arrogant and stupid person and no, you will never win the argument cos you do not know it all, and you have only a one sided argument. Grow up.

How old are you? Have you got your degree yet?

 

[The Black Hand]

Hey! Who's an aggressive chappie? I'll tell you what, kid. A bunch of so-called anarchists staging a risible theatrical performance is no threat whatsoever to the ruling class. In fact, if people like that didn't exist the ruling class would employ people to stage such displays, just to sidetrack those who are actually concerned about effecting meaningful change.

You see, you need to understand how flexible, adaptable and capable of absorbing dissent capitalism is. Anarchists rioting outside the World Trade Centre? No threat. Aeroplanes aimed at buildings? Not a problem. The only possible threat to the status quo is the working-class understanding why capitalism can never work in their interests, and why they must overthrow it and replace it with a classless, stateless, moneyless society based on common ownership and democratic control of the means of production. When the working-class have that understanding, and rise up to end capitalism, not reform it with some ludicrous leftist state-capitalist dictatorship, then, and only then, will the ruling class have something to worry about. That's what I work for. And you're in the way.

So your 'work' is not effective at all then is it? You do nothing, achieve nothing, attack nothing. Well done - it sounds like the same social democratic crap you pathetically and weakly critisise.

 

[Dillinger4]

*briefly returns*

Sounds like sophism to me

*leaves again*

 

[invisibleplanet]

You stupid twat.

'Property is theft' is the famous slogan from the 19th century and we aim to abolish commodities my friend (but not things or the ability to make them).

Why should today's anarchists listen to anything that the antisemitic, grotesquely chauvinist, 19th Century bigotted twat called Pierre-Joseph Proudhon had to say?

 

[GuruYoghourt]

You stupid twat.

'Property is theft' is the famous slogan from the 19th century and we aim to abolish commodities my friend (but not things or the ability to make them). Serious revolution. A complete change in perception as well in the way capitalist society is run.

I have learned that you are a truly arrogant and stupid person and no, you will never win the argument cos you do not know it all, and you have only a one sided argument. Grow up.

How old are you? Have you got your degree yet?

I'm quite probably old enough to be your father, although if I was I'd have drowned you at birth, most likely. You're spouting nonsense. You plan to bring about a revolution that's going to change the way capitalist society is run? And you're going to do it by killing people. That's not a revolution, it's reform. You are utterly confused. You're going to abolish commodities. But they'll still be able to be made. Yeah!

You might think that I am arrogant and stupid, and I can see why you might think that. It's because that is precisely what you are. I've seen some very sloppy thinking over the years, but you could win prizes.

 

[The Black Hand]

Why should today's anarchists listen to anything that the antisemitic, grotesquely chauvinist, 19th Century bigot known as Proudhon had to say?

I wasn't asking them to - i just mentioned it as a famous slogan.

 

[The Black Hand]

I'm quite probably old enough to be your father, although if I was I'd have drowned you at birth, most likely. You're spouting nonsense. You plan to bring about a revolution that's going to change the way capitalist society is run? And you're going to do it by killing people. That's not a revolution, it's reform. You are utterly confused. You're going to abolish commodities. But they'll still be able to be made. Yeah!

You might think that I am arrogant and stupid, and I can see why you might think that. It's because that is precisely what you are. I've seen some very sloppy thinking over the years, but you could win prizes.

Which cult do you hang around with daddy or have you left them all?

That means which organisation (SPGB/ICC etc) and/or union are you in and have you left the 'left'?

 

[JoePolitix]

Why should today's anarchists listen to anything that the antisemitic, grotesquely chauvinist, 19th Century bigotted twat called Pierre-Joseph Proudhon had to say?

"Property is theft" is fine though because Marx nicked it and him da man