Barbaric: woman stoned to death in Pakistan

[Awesome Wells]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/pregnant-woman-stoned-death-members-3614883

Just utterly hideous. she was also pregnant. Fucking savages.

 

[weltweit]

Almost incomprehensible.

honour .. wtf

 

[Greebo]

<snip> Just utterly hideous. she was also pregnant. Fucking savages.

Barbaric is the word - it's not even as if she was stoned for adultery (she was married to the father of her unborn child). Stoned to death for having the gall to marry who she chose instead of the man her family had picked.

 

[weltweit]

This "honour" thing exists here in the UK also, there are lots of examples of crimes committed here as a result of it.

 

[goldenecitrone]

The murderers will probably go unpunished, too.

Even those that do result in a conviction may end with the killers walking free. Pakistani law allows a victim's family to forgive their killer.
But in honor killings, most of the time the women's killers are her family, said Wasim Wagha of the Aurat Foundation.

 

[bubblesmcgrath]

 

[slightlytouched]

OMG! How can they believe their actions to be just, how can they knowingly perpetuate that culture? It's not just a 'western culture looking at their culture' thing.....it's just inhuman (and makes no sense) to kill a member of your own family, someone you have poured years of love into, over a tradition.

I'm so glad to have been born in this country.

 

[weltweit]

.. I'm so glad to have been born in this country.

Amen to that!

 

[Greebo]

OMG! How can they believe their actions to be just, how can they knowingly perpetuate that culture? It's not just a 'western culture looking at their culture' thing..... <snip>

It's not even Islamic.

Edited to add: As a contrast to this, a woman (AFAIK in Iran) who was Muslim but converted to Christianity and refused to convert back has been sentenced to be hung for apostacy, but not before the child she's only just given birth to has turned two (ie. old enough to be safely weaned).

 

[weltweit]

It's not even Islamic.

So where does it originate?

 

[editor]

I read that report today and it turned my stomach.

Twenty cowardly pieces of shit stoned her to death.

Around 1,000 Pakistani women are killed every year by their families in honour killings, according to Pakistani rights group the Aurat Foundation, but the true figure is probably even higher. The Aurat Foundation only produces figures based on newspaper reports and the government does not compile national statistics.

Cases that do result in a conviction can still see the killer walk free, as Pakistani law allows a victim's family to forgive their killer. The killer is often a member of the victim's family, allowing them to nominate a person to commit the act who would then be forgiven.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...ily-for-marrying-a-man-she-loved-9440678.html

 

[weltweit]

Murder is not the only form of honor crime, other crimes such as acid attacks, abduction, mutilations, beatings occur; in 2010 the UK police recorded at least 2,823 such crimes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killing

'Tradition, not religion'
None of the world's major religions condone honour-related crimes.
But perpetrators have sometimes tried to justify their actions on religious grounds.
"Honour crime happens across the board in the Asian community," says Ram Gidoomal of the South Asian Development Partnership.

"People try to blame Muslims, Hindus or Sikhs but it tends to happen in families where there are the strongest ties and expectations. It's a very strong cultural issue."

Leaders of the world's faiths have also strongly denounced a connection between religion and honour killings.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/ethics/honourcrimes/crimesofhonour_1.shtml

 

[editor]

Listen to this barbaric, fucked up moron:

Parveen's father surrendered after the incident and called the murder an "honor killing," Butt said.

"I killed my daughter as she had insulted all of our family by marrying a man without our consent, and I have no regret over it," Mujahid, the police investigator, quoted the father as saying.

 

[Greebo]

So where does it originate?

In all probability, tribal custom, and a bloody stupid selfdestructive one at that.

 

[likesfish]

Well theres one family that deserve a visit from an angry drone
It happened outside a court and the police let it happen

 

[goldenecitrone]

It's not even Islamic.

Edited to add: As a contrast to this, a woman (AFAIK in Iran) who was Muslim but converted to Christianity and refused to convert back has been sentenced to be hung for apostacy, but not before the child she's only just given birth to has turned two (ie. old enough to be safely weaned).

That's in Sudan.

Meriam Yehya Ibrahim has been sentenced to death for 'apostasy', or refusing to renounce her Christian faith. Meriam is imprisoned with her newborn baby girl and her 20-month-old son.

Meriam has also been sentenced to 100 lashes for being married to a Christian man. She is a prisoner of conscience. Ask Sudan to release her.

http://www.amnesty.org.uk/

Some teenage girls were murdered in Pakistan for 'dancing in the rain'.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/201...-killing-dancing-rain-pictures_n_3527572.html

 

[Greebo]

That's in Sudan. <snip>

Thanks for that - try as I might, it's difficult to keep track.

Some teenage girls were murdered in Pakistan for 'dancing in the rain'. <snip>

Yet another case of something which is permitted by the religion of those girls (Muslim women are permitted to dance in the company of other women) and their families being forbidden by their culture.

 

[farmerbarleymow]

People who behave like this are fairly described as backward. An affront to humanity in the 21st century. It's like looking back at the fucking dark ages.

 

[goldenecitrone]

Thanks for that - try as I might, it's difficult to keep track.

Yet another case of something which is permitted by the religion of those girls (Muslim women are permitted to dance in the company of other women) and their families being forbidden by their culture.

The story made me think of the Elliot Rodger's case and his manifesto. Many differences I know, but an underlying hatred of women and the desire to punish them.

 

[dessiato]

It's not even Islamic.

Edited to add: As a contrast to this, a woman (AFAIK in Iran) who was Muslim but converted to Christianity and refused to convert back has been sentenced to be hung for apostacy, but not before the child she's only just given birth to has turned two (ie. old enough to be safely weaned).

It's Sudan. The woman gave birth to a girl yesterday. The woman is undernourished, and is not being fed enough to feed her baby properly. She also has her son with her. Both she and the son are contracting a range of diseases due to the conditions in which they are held. The father, and American citizen, is not allowed to have the son because of some interpretation of Sharia that forbids it. The woman is chained to the floor, and kept in chains during the few, ten minute, visits she is allowed with the childrens' father.

Although the vast majority of Sudanese I met while living there are wonderful people, there is an element of inhumanity that made me decide not to go back. IME all the Sudanese I met there are equally horrified by this act.

 

[Geri]

And this is where they want to send Ahad and Anum back to!

 

[Pickman's model]

People who behave like this are fairly described as backward. An affront to humanity in the 21st century. It's like looking back at the fucking dark ages.

it's always good to see a whig fizzing with indignation but disappointing that after the holocaust, after pol pot and stalin, there is still a notion of 'advanced' or 'backward' peoples.

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

it's always good to see a whig fizzing with indignation but disappointing that after the holocaust, after pol pot and stalin, there is still a notion of 'advanced' & 'backward' peoples.

If killing you own daughter because she married someone not of your choosing isn't "backward" then what the fuck is?

 

[farmerbarleymow]

it's always good to see a whig fizzing with indignation but disappointing that after the holocaust, after pol pot and stalin, there is still a notion of 'advanced' & 'backward' peoples.

What they hell are you on about? We used to behave like this in Europe centuries ago, but have grown up and became more advanced. So it is reasonable to call people who behave like utter barbarians backward because that is what they are.

 

[Pickman's model]

What they hell are you on about? We used to behave like this in Europe centuries ago, but have grown up and became more advanced. So it is reasonable to call people who behave like utter barbarians backward because that is what they are.

you do talk some shit at times
the holocaust, rather more barbaric than this sorry incident, took place at the hands of the most 'advanced' country in the world less than a century ago

 

[farmerbarleymow]

you do talk some shit at times
the holocaust, rather more barbaric than this sorry incident, took place at the hands of the most 'advanced' country in the world less than a century ago

You talk shit pretty much all of the time, so I'm not terribly concerned about what you might think of my views.

 

[Pickman's model]

the barbarity of empire eg in the congo, in kenya, inmalaya, in ireland, ought to make us wary of calling others backward or barbaric but i suppose the violence of the 'advanced' is better than the violence of brown people

 

[Pickman's model]

You talk shit pretty much all of the time, so I'm not terribly concerned about what you might think of my views.

when your beliefs seem, not to beat about the bush, ignorant and racist, perhaps you should take a look at yourself

 

[Pickman's model]

You talk shit pretty much all of the time, so I'm not terribly concerned about what you might think of my views.

so europeans can use rape as a weapon of war in the 1990s but it's iyo less barbaric than some pakistani people stoning someone to death.

 

[Maurice Picarda]

so europeans can use rape as a weapon of war in the 1990s but it's iyo less barbaric than some pakistani people stoning someone to death.

Their daughter and sister. Did you not notice that bit?