Bannau Brycheiniog National Park

[cesare]

So today the Brecon Beacons changes its name.

I couldn't see a thread anywhere. Any thoughts about the new name, rationale etc?

Brecon Beacons National Park officially changes to Welsh name

The Brecon Beacons National Park boss said: 'Our park is is shaped by Welsh people and Welsh culture - we realised the current name is a bit of a nonsense'

www.walesonline.co.uk

 

[marty21]

As a graduate of Abertawe University , all for this sort of thing.

 

[cesare]

Could any Welsh speaking posters tell us how to pronounce it? I'm thinking Bannau = Ban-eye?

 

[kabbes]

Could any Welsh speaking posters tell us how to pronounce it? I'm thinking Bannau = Ban-eye?

The kabbess tells me yes but a lot of Welsh people would probably just say it as something like “banner” because words aren’t necessarily always pronounced in their technically accurate way.

And she thinks the next word is what sounds to me like “bruch-ai-nee-og” with the first vowel being something between the oo of brook and the uh of brush (if you pronounce those words like I do, anyway). However, “-ych” can sound like “ich” , so it might be “brich-ai-nee-og” instead, plus also “why are you asking me, ask a local” but she is the closest thing I have to a local so what’s the point in saying that?

 

[cesare]

Thanks kabbes and kabbess!

 

[StoneRoad]

I'll have to think about that - as most of my Welsh pronunciation is based around North Wales place-names, with a few from near Aberystwyth.

 

[JimW]

It'll only cause confusion with Blaenau Ffestiniog

 

[Voley]

The kabbess tells me yes but a lot of Welsh people would probably just say it as something like “banner” because words aren’t necessarily always pronounced in their technically accurate way.

And she thinks the next word is what sounds to me like “bruch-ai-nee-og” with the first vowel being something between the oo of brook and the uh of brush (if you pronounce those words like I do, anyway). However, “-ych” can sound like “ich” , so it might be “brich-ai-nee-og” instead, plus also “why are you asking me, ask a local” but she is the closest thing I have to a local so what’s the point in saying that?

Thanks for that. We've been having this very conversation chez Voley this morning too.

Before I was properly awake, I might add. My Welsh pronunciation before my first coffee of the morning was probably enough to have me banished from the land.

 

[bluescreen]

I was wondering the same and found this, which seems to be an AI mashup

Bannau Brycheiniog pronunciation in Welsh

How to say Bannau Brycheiniog in Welsh? Pronunciation of Bannau Brycheiniog with 1 audio pronunciation, 11 translations and more for Bannau Brycheiniog.

www.howtopronounce.com

ETA but accords with kabbes's account

 

[Voley]

I've never been, I must admit. Skirted the edges of it driving to William's funeral recently though and it looked absolutely beautiful.

 

[ddraig]

Ban-aye brych (first parch of brush and ch as in loch) ein-iog

 

[ddraig]

The kabbess tells me yes but a lot of Welsh people would probably just say it as something like “banner” because words aren’t necessarily always pronounced in their technically accurate way.

And she thinks the next word is what sounds to me like “bruch-ai-nee-og” with the first vowel being something between the oo of brook and the uh of brush (if you pronounce those words like I do, anyway). However, “-ych” can sound like “ich” , so it might be “brich-ai-nee-og” instead, plus also “why are you asking me, ask a local” but she is the closest thing I have to a local so what’s the point in saying that?

mostly right! but banner isn't quite, it's bann-aye

 

[bluescreen]

Ban-aye brych (first parch of brush and ch as in loch) ein-iog

Can you do an audio for us Sais please?

 

[ddraig]

hmmm, maybe

the beeb have this
The Welsh name means "the peaks of Brychan's kingdom" and is pronounced ban-aye bruch-ein-iog, with the ch making the same sound as in loch

Brecon Beacons: Park to use Welsh name Bannau Brycheiniog

Park bosses say the change reflects their commitment to the Welsh language and the area's heritage.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[kebabking]

All for regional identity - don't know how many will stop calling it the Brecon Beacons however...

Addendum: I find I already have an email telling me that any future exercises in the BBNP should use the new name in the title, rather than the old name, and should reference the kingdom and it's history/mythology, if at all possible.

Time to hit my children's bedtime stories to find inspiration...

 

[Petcha]

Lol, can't believe a national park's been cancelled. 'Beacons' being flame-based and therefore contributing to climate change - that's quite a leap..

 

[ddraig]

Lol, can't believe a national park's been cancelled. 'Beacons' being flame-based and therefore contributing to climate change - that's quite a leap..

Wtf?? how has it in any way been cancelled?? it's reverting not cancelled

 

[Petcha]

Wtf?? how has it in any way been cancelled?? it's reverting not cancelled

From that article. I get changing it back to the Welsh name - but don't really see the point of bringing climate change into it, sorry.

The park's managers said the present name - referencing wood-burning, carbon-emitting beacons - no longer fitted the park's eco ethos, hence the rebrand.

 

[ddraig]

From that article. I get changing it back to the Welsh name - but don't really see the point of bringing climate change into it, sorry.

its fucking clickbait and you've fallen for it, oh dear

 

[tim]

From that article. I get changing it back to the Welsh name - but don't really see the point of bringing climate change into it, sorry.

It's worth doing just to get all the presenters on GBNEWS frothing.

 

[MickiQ]

All for regional identity - don't know how many will stop calling it the Brecon Beacons however...

Addendum: I find I already have an email telling me that any future exercises in the BBNP should use the new name in the title, rather than the old name, and should reference the kingdom and it's history/mythology, if at all possible.

Time to hit my children's bedtime stories to find inspiration...

Evil American Megacorp used to use names from Greek Mythology for major projects and actually paid someone to do it. One project was name Project Aegina after some water nymph who was one of Zeus's many conquests.
An email was sent round at one point that basically said "All Staff must cease referring to Project Aegina as Project Fanny" and the project was renamed to Project Aeon which was a lot of work since people had to go through shedloads of documents and change the damn thing.

 

[cesare]

Snowdon and Snowdonia are in line too, apparently.

 

[editor]

So today the Brecon Beacons changes its name.

I couldn't see a thread anywhere. Any thoughts about the new name, rationale etc?

It's an excellent idea.

 

[Voley]

I'm normally all in favour of this sort of thing but I do have one exception.

Reverting the magnificently titled Brown Willy to the Cornish Bronn Wenneli is depriving infantile people like me of a smirk every time I go for a walk up it.

 

[kabbes]

Snowdon and Snowdonia are in line too, apparently.

Yeah, and I can’t hold the new/old names in my head at all. Which is going to be a major problem for me if we follow through on our plan to live there. It’s always embarrassing to not know the name of your own region.

 

[ddraig]

Snowdon and Snowdonia are in line too, apparently.

Eryri - err-urry
Yr Wyddfa - err-wwee-th-fa

 

[nogojones]

From that article. I get changing it back to the Welsh name - but don't really see the point of bringing climate change into it, sorry.

They're only doing it now so they don't have to climb up the hills for the coronation.

No beacons for sausage fingers!

 

[nogojones]

Snowdon and Snowdonia are in line too, apparently.

They've gone already I think.

 

[sojourner]

Only Welsh people will ever call it by the new name. Everyone else will continue to call it the Brecon Beacons.

 

[ddraig]

Only Welsh people will ever call it by the new name. Everyone else will continue to call it the Brecon Beacons.

Very anglocentric thing to say and assert, why tho?
there's plenty of tourists and people who've moved here from other places than englund who actually respect the Welsh language and its usage