DLR has been fully automated since 1987 as I recall, I think they usually had a member of staff operating the doors but no one up front, presumably the door operator could stop the train in an emergency but they were moving through the train checking tickets the last time I used one
autonomous cars - the future of motoring is driverless
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DLR has been fully automated since 1987 as I recall, I think they usually had a member of staff operating the doors but no one up front, presumably the door operator could stop the train in an emergency but they were moving through the train checking tickets the last time I used one
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As a safe and competent driver I cannot imagine myself ever voluntarily using the ‘autopilot’ feature, certainly as long as I was still legally required to sit at the wheel as a backup operator (as opposed to napping at the back). I like driving, and it’d be fucking boring just to sit there.
I guess if one was allowed to put an iPad in their line of vision to watch a film it’s be a bit more tolerable...
I guess if one was allowed to put an iPad in their line of vision to watch a film it’s be a bit more tolerable...
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Actually the technical presentations from the press event are really in depth and straight from the heads of departments. Elon's there too, but he's fairly toned down. Very interesting stuff. They totally own the "after the easy stuff it's all corner cases" argument and reckon they're winning the fight through simple weight of numbers. They have millions of cars on the road and can see how real drivers deal with unusual situations. Good machine learning just needs good data.
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I posted a link to the article upthread a while ago, but apparently in urban areas with heavy cyclist presence, such as Scandinavian nations, they’re nowhere near to achieving a reliable autonomous system. Apparently the unique ‘characteristics’ of cyclists, namely their much looser adherence to road laws and capability to materialise around cars through narrow gaps that makes them difficult to detect are causing havoc to the software.
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This is interesting. BBC iPlayer - Click - The Self-driving Revolution
Because it was conflicting with the autonomous systems on the car, Uber had turned off Volvo's accident avoidance systems; would this have saved the person that was killed?
The programme goes on to say that Uber will not be prosecuted but the "driver" might yet be.
This raises the old issue of who is responsible in the event of an accident, what is the status of the car, the programmers, the passenger under law, though the laws in
Arizona appear very lax.
Because it was conflicting with the autonomous systems on the car, Uber had turned off Volvo's accident avoidance systems; would this have saved the person that was killed?
The programme goes on to say that Uber will not be prosecuted but the "driver" might yet be.
This raises the old issue of who is responsible in the event of an accident, what is the status of the car, the programmers, the passenger under law, though the laws in
Arizona appear very lax.
Wild guess - the only people this wasn’t a surprise for was Uber’s lawyers.
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I’ve said from the start that it’s legal problems rather than technological ones that will hold autonomous vehicles back...
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But it's not though; the Uber car that killed that person did not see a person. It reportedly saw three separate things before it hit them.
Also, they are experimenting with near mid and far vision technology, radar Etc. It's far from a done deal.
The people trialling the autonomous cars are under no obligation to declare anything under the powers given to them by Arizona, so we don't know how many miles they are driving before
an intervention, the cause of the intervention, the technology being used. It would appear that Arizona have given them a free ride.
Got ABS? You already relinquish some control.
It’ll be insurance lead before it’s compulsory
weltweit
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I wouldn't like to be the guinea pigs that try these out first.
Nor would I like to be on the complex UK roads while they did it.
I do like the idea that I could climb into my vehicle and say "home James" and it would just take me there without any input, but I think 1) it is a long way off and 2) an even longer time before I could afford such undoubtedly expensive technology.
Nor would I like to be on the complex UK roads while they did it.
I do like the idea that I could climb into my vehicle and say "home James" and it would just take me there without any input, but I think 1) it is a long way off and 2) an even longer time before I could afford such undoubtedly expensive technology.
BigTom
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https://gizmodo.com/ups-has-been-delivering-cargo-in-self-driving-trucks-fo-1837272680
UPS using self-driving trucks in Arizona (still has a driver and an engineer on board, not driverless)
Looks like the simplest of road situations - moving cargo from hub to hub along a freeway/motorway type road, but the video has the truck going through a storm - I thought arizona was the test bed for a lot of this because the weather was reliably clear and sunny and not a challenge.
Always thought this would be the first type of vehicle to go fully autonomous - cargo trucks moving around on motorways, between warehouses/hubs with driven vehicles doing the last mile delivery into towns.
UPS using self-driving trucks in Arizona (still has a driver and an engineer on board, not driverless)
Looks like the simplest of road situations - moving cargo from hub to hub along a freeway/motorway type road, but the video has the truck going through a storm - I thought arizona was the test bed for a lot of this because the weather was reliably clear and sunny and not a challenge.
Always thought this would be the first type of vehicle to go fully autonomous - cargo trucks moving around on motorways, between warehouses/hubs with driven vehicles doing the last mile delivery into towns.
weltweit
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They would have to do something clever when driving past junctions.
Can you imagine trying to merge with a larger road and finding yourself next to a road train of 5 HVG vehicles nose to tail in the first lane?
BigTom
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'It's going to be a revolution': driverless cars in new London trial
I don't know anything more about this than is in the article. Some kind of government funded consortium and this will become driverless taxis with addison lee next year so they say (although presumably with someone on board to take over if needed).
I don't know anything more about this than is in the article. Some kind of government funded consortium and this will become driverless taxis with addison lee next year so they say (although presumably with someone on board to take over if needed).
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"summon" your car. Go shopping, leave your car nearby and summon it via an app when you are ready to go home 
Tesla Owners Can Now 'Summon' Their Cars to Self-Drive to Them — and It's Raising Safety Questions
Tesla Owners Can Now 'Summon' Their Cars to Self-Drive to Them — and It's Raising Safety Questions
weltweit
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My passenger know I (a human driver with some experience) am in control of the vehicle. It is what they are used to. It may take some time before they will trust a computer system the same as that.So now you know how your passengers feel
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UK's first full-size 'driverless' bus tested in Glasgow
Autonomous bus trials in Scotland - not watched the video.
Surprised they are trialling buses - makes sense in that they have a fixed route (and the ones going between Fife and Glasgow might be mostly on a-roads or motorways?) but carrying lots of people, I'd have thought they would be amongst the last type of vehicle to be trialling.
Autonomous bus trials in Scotland - not watched the video.
Surprised they are trialling buses - makes sense in that they have a fixed route (and the ones going between Fife and Glasgow might be mostly on a-roads or motorways?) but carrying lots of people, I'd have thought they would be amongst the last type of vehicle to be trialling.
Dieselpunk2000
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Yikes!
weltweit
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Dieselpunk2000 an impressive size of machine indeed, but it seems to need two operators rather than the one driver its human controlled alternative would need. One to do the radio control and another to keep the control cable from getting caught under its wheels. 
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I see the government is pressing full steam ahead with this tomfoolery
Given that current technology and infrastructure is nowhere near where it should be, the roads might become a far more unpredictable place to be come next Spring.
Hands-free driving could be made legal on UK roads by spring
Government is consulting industry on technology which can take control of a vehicle at up to 70mph.
www.bbc.co.uk
Given that current technology and infrastructure is nowhere near where it should be, the roads might become a far more unpredictable place to be come next Spring.
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