On the official Scottish Premier League website the St. Johnstone attendance is given as 2,933.
Attendances....
- Thread starter Jamie Wyatt
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But...I'm not told the lower figure quoted is the correct one! so PartisanDulwich is correct in his original posting. Who knows?
blueheaven
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I checked this with St Johnstone as a few different figures were quoted on various sites - they confirmed that 2793 is correct.
I believe this could be the first time a Dulwich Saturday home match has had a higher crowd than a SPL/Scottish Premiership Saturday 3pm match (it's something I regularly check for and haven't seen it happen before).
PartisanDulwich
Well-Known Member
spike due to AFC Wimbledon attendances while in the League
YTC
Human Man
Pretty old this!!
PartisanDulwich
Well-Known Member
hoping somebody might update
average this year in the Ryman Premier 354 (Dulwich Hamlet 1,255)
average this year in the Ryman Premier 354 (Dulwich Hamlet 1,255)
dcdulwich
Well-Known Member
The above is an index where the average attendance in 2004/5 (323) is designated as 100.
I already get enough stick for playing about with spreadsheets. If someone wants to update the index using the average attendances they are as follows:
2004/05 - 323
2005/06 - 466 (+44.3%) - on previous season
2006/07 - 491 (+5.4%)
2007/08 - 504 (+2.6%)
2008/09 - 418 (-17.1%)
2009/10 - 349 (-16.5%)
2010/11 - 341 (-2.3%)
2011/12 - 316 (-7.3%)
2012/13 - 297 (-6.0%)
2013/14 - 377 (+26.9%)
2014/15 - 390 (+3.4%)
2015/16 - 314 (-19.5%)
2016/17 - 354 (to date)
I already get enough stick for playing about with spreadsheets. If someone wants to update the index using the average attendances they are as follows:
2004/05 - 323
2005/06 - 466 (+44.3%) - on previous season
2006/07 - 491 (+5.4%)
2007/08 - 504 (+2.6%)
2008/09 - 418 (-17.1%)
2009/10 - 349 (-16.5%)
2010/11 - 341 (-2.3%)
2011/12 - 316 (-7.3%)
2012/13 - 297 (-6.0%)
2013/14 - 377 (+26.9%)
2014/15 - 390 (+3.4%)
2015/16 - 314 (-19.5%)
2016/17 - 354 (to date)
dcdulwich
Well-Known Member
Or fill your boots with even more data from as far back as I can easily find - with 2016/7 updated for yesterday's games.
Turns out 1998/99 was peak Ryman:
Season - Average Attendance
1988/89 306
1989/90 394
1990/91 451
1991/92 518
1992/93 461
1993/94 437
1994/95 450
1995/96 484
1996/97 498
1997/98 448
1998/99 571
1999/00 538
2000/01 443
2001/02 462
2002/03 432*
2003/04 369*
2004/05 323
2005/06 466
2006/07 491
2007/08 504
2008/09 418
2009/10 349
2010/11 341
2011/12 316
2012/13 297
2013/14 377*
2014/15 390*
2015/16 314*
2016/17 357*
*24 teams (remainder 22 teams)
Turns out 1998/99 was peak Ryman:
Season - Average Attendance
1988/89 306
1989/90 394
1990/91 451
1991/92 518
1992/93 461
1993/94 437
1994/95 450
1995/96 484
1996/97 498
1997/98 448
1998/99 571
1999/00 538
2000/01 443
2001/02 462
2002/03 432*
2003/04 369*
2004/05 323
2005/06 466
2006/07 491
2007/08 504
2008/09 418
2009/10 349
2010/11 341
2011/12 316
2012/13 297
2013/14 377*
2014/15 390*
2015/16 314*
2016/17 357*
*24 teams (remainder 22 teams)
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Al Cunningham
Brockley Hamlet
1998/99 would be Aldershot's first season i in the Ryman Premier
PartisanDulwich
Well-Known Member
That's very interesting stats
it would seem to show attendances across the League have fallen by approx 100 since the 1990's
I think the fantastic achievements of a few clubs like our own in increasing attendances, are obscuring some very worrying underlining trends
infact if you strip out Dulwich hamlets attendances, I fear attendances in Ryman Premier could be down below the 300 mark
Because at the end of the day attendances are a key indicator of the life of a Club at any level
it would seem to show attendances across the League have fallen by approx 100 since the 1990's
I think the fantastic achievements of a few clubs like our own in increasing attendances, are obscuring some very worrying underlining trends
infact if you strip out Dulwich hamlets attendances, I fear attendances in Ryman Premier could be down below the 300 mark
Because at the end of the day attendances are a key indicator of the life of a Club at any level
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Non-league football has not increased in popularity due to the sky money. Its a myth perpetuated by journalists as writing about people watching football on streams isn't as interesting.
Non-league sides aren't interested in expanding their fanbase beyond men over 40 and the occasional group of young teenagers.
Billericay will get a few more old men and few more teenagers as they get better players.
PartisanDulwich
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I guess going to away games gives you much more insight (I am afraid I only get to very few and usually bigger games) into how bad things are (but I did get that vibe at Grays this year or VCD last year)
But those Ryman League attendance stats are horrific for the future of Non-League football and you have to ask yourself why the FA would allow such a situation to continue - why no task force - why no help/advice/resources to help clubs become community orientated and provide adequate facilities
Interesting if its just Ryman or other Leagues - we must assume it is a national trend
But those Ryman League attendance stats are horrific for the future of Non-League football and you have to ask yourself why the FA would allow such a situation to continue - why no task force - why no help/advice/resources to help clubs become community orientated and provide adequate facilities
Interesting if its just Ryman or other Leagues - we must assume it is a national trend
FA must be happy with professionalisation of non-league football as National League is basically league 3 now.
No drinking in FA Trophy matches plus no regulation for clubs running massive losses.
No one can tell me that clubs want to reach out into their community. Kingstonian. No. Bognor. No. Leatherhead. No.
Any initiatives. No.
AndyF
DHFC Beer Aficionado
FA are clueless and hopeless. The bottom line is it takes a huge amount of work and a great team. We have that.
I would love to work for FA. Saw football league show earlier. People went on the pitch. There wont be an investigation.
Northern Dave
Member
Remember the Ryman Premier is a step lower than in the 90s, going from step 2 (not that I think we called it that back then) to step 3 in 2004 with the formation of Conference North and South.
Pink Panther
Well-Known Member
Yes, I think it took them four seasons to win the league and go up. (No play offs in those days, just champions promoted directly to Conference National.) And there's another spike from 2005-2008 when AFC Norbiton were in this division.
dcdulwich
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There you go - with added detail on numeric attendances - as well as indexed ones as per original:
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PartisanDulwich
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Attendance: 2,805.today V Billericay Town
Third attendance over 2,000 in the League this season
should help our averages
That would be our fourth highest ever attendance at the new Champion Hill stadium
(well done to those who helped build the attendance - must never take it for granted)
Shame we lost - but we fight on
Third attendance over 2,000 in the League this season
should help our averages
That would be our fourth highest ever attendance at the new Champion Hill stadium
(well done to those who helped build the attendance - must never take it for granted)
Shame we lost - but we fight on
#milk
dcdulwich
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Haha! Good question. I know what you mean and it may seem that way when the big crowds are in but:
2015/16
2249 vs Enfield Town 2-0
2012 vs Harrow Borough 4-0
2467 vs Lewes 2-1
2016/17
2032 vs Worthing 4-1
The only times we've lost with a 2000+ crowd have both been this season: against Bognor and today. (Guiseley in the FA Trophy in 2016 was 1949).
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dcdulwich
Well-Known Member
Our league average for this season is now 1285 vs 1254 after the same number of games last season.
This is in spite of the fact that we have already played more mid-week games (7) than last season (6).
We do have another Tuesday game to come though, against Leatherhead. And we did finish last season with a bit of a flourish (crowd-wise) with 2467 at the last home game against Lewes (which we won - see above!).
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PartisanDulwich
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TOP NON LEAGUE CROWDS (25th March 2017)
Lincoln City 6,798
Tranmere 4,514
Stockport 3,349
Wrexham 3,328
FC United 3,149
Dulwich Hamlet 2,805
Lincoln City 6,798
Tranmere 4,514
Stockport 3,349
Wrexham 3,328
FC United 3,149
Dulwich Hamlet 2,805
dcdulwich
Well-Known Member
Next highest in the Ryman Premier yesterday:
Bognor 587 (vs Canvey)
Lowestoft 545 (vs Folkestone)
Tonbridge 529 (vs Harlow)
41% of all fans attending the 12 Ryman Premier games yesterday were at Champion Hill.
The average at games excluding ours was 373. With ours it was 576.
Just a pity about the result
Bognor 587 (vs Canvey)
Lowestoft 545 (vs Folkestone)
Tonbridge 529 (vs Harlow)
41% of all fans attending the 12 Ryman Premier games yesterday were at Champion Hill.
The average at games excluding ours was 373. With ours it was 576.
Just a pity about the result
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YTC
Human Man
Where have those start if the season 'Anti KFH' conspiracy theorists now? I think someone owes me money...
PartisanDulwich
Well-Known Member
"41% of all fans attending the 12 Ryman Premier games yesterday (25th March 2017) were at Champion Hill."
Stato (aka dcdulwich)
Incredible statistic
Stato (aka dcdulwich)
Incredible statistic
dcdulwich
Well-Known Member
Isn't Statto that fat bloke who lolls around in a dressing gown?
Fair enough. Easy mistake to make.
