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A Royston fan at the replay started telling me that two or three thousand attendances are the norm at Dulwich. Carried on doing so even after I told him I was the club photographer and what our average gate is. "Well the match reports I've been studying must be wrong then."

Strange.
 
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Cyclodunc said:
A Royston fan at the replay started telling me that two or three thousand attendances are the norm at Dulwich. Carried on doing so even after I told him I was the club photographer our what our average gate is. "Well the match reports I've been studying must be wrong then."

Strange.
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Welcome to 2017. Facts, based on certifiable evidence, are worth fuck all. We need to start publishing an attendance based on what we think would be acceptable to our sponsors.
 
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Dulwich Mishi said:
...would be interesting to see our averages over the last few years separated by Saturdays/bank holidays & midweeks.
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Here you go:

2016/17 (23 home games – 15 so far)
Average so far: 1208
Tues (5 games so far): 725
Sat/BH: 1449

2015/16 (23 home games)
After 15 games: 1202
Season average: 1343
Tues (6): 663
Sat/BH: 1583

2014/15 (23 home games)
After 15 games: 928
Season average: 1070
Tues (6): 536
Sat/BH: 1259

2013/14 (23 home games)
After 15 games: 627
Season average: 667
Tues (6): 544
Sat/BH: 711

2012/13 (21 home games) – Ryman South
After 15 games: 402
Season average: 491
Tues (4): 560*
Sat/BH: 474
* includes highest (2012-2017) Tues gate of 1073 vs Maidstone
 
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dcdulwich said:
Here you go:

2016/17 (23 home games – 15 so far)
Average so far: 1208
Tues (5 games so far): 725
Sat/BH: 1449

2015/16 (23 home games)
After 15 games: 1202
Season average: 1343
Tues (6): 663
Sat/BH: 1583
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Small sample obviously but interesting that the Tuesday attendances continue to go up but Saturday has slipped back a little. I wonder if some of the Saturday games started to push up against the point where people stopped enjoying it - certainly for me I've enjoyed the Tuesday games more with a bit more space.
 
Looking at Lyhams (wonderful) graphs the suggestion from last season and the one before is that Saturday attendances increase after nye and toward the end of the year. As a result it's unlikely we'll see any real 'drop back' on last season. We're currently comparing an incomplete data set which due to the trends looks artificially low.

The trend for Tuesday attendances is less clear but the fact it's already higher is very positive. I think Tuesday attendances are a more robust indicator of fan retention/ 'engagement'.
 
Latahs said:
Looking at Lyhams (wonderful) graphs the suggestion from last season and the one before is that Saturday attendances increase after nye and toward the end of the year. As a result it's unlikely we'll see any real 'drop back' on last season. We're currently comparing an incomplete data set which due to the trends looks artificially low.

The trend for Tuesday attendances is less clear but the fact it's already higher is very positive. I think Tuesday attendances are a more robust indicator of fan retention/ 'engagement'.
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We're not because dcdulwich 's stats up there are for after 15 games not the whole season so we are down on the equivalent number of games last year for Saturdays (up on Tuesdays).

We have played a lot of games already though - only 8 more home matches to play this season. So higher attendances after New Year might still be a partial answer.
 
Monkeygrinder's Organ said:
- only 8 more home matches to play this season.
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I'd agree with the points made above around Tuesday attendances perhaps being a better reflection of retained/engaged fans, and with the one about attendances peaking off once it becomes too full to enjoy the off-the-pitch side of things.

One other data point that would be interesting to know around all this: what are the stats on season tickets? Have they gone up? And if so are they increasing in line with Tuesdays or with Saturdays attendance figures...? Looking at the 2013-16 period (because of the weird Tuesday data point in the 2012 sample), Saturdays have grown 27% year-on-year while Tuesdays have "only" grown 10%.

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Monkeygrinder's Organ said:
We're not because dcdulwich 's stats up there are for after 15 games not the whole season so we are down on the equivalent number of games last year for Saturdays (up on Tuesdays).
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Well yes and no. I've given the overall average for each season up to game 15 (i.e. all games no matter when they were played in the week). The weekday and Sat/BH split is given for the whole season (or, obviously in 2016/17, the season so far).

That means the table above (linked to below) is slightly wrong as the last two columns relate to the whole season - not just the first 15 games.

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dcdulwich said:
That means the table above (linked to below) is slightly wrong as the last two columns relate to the whole season - not just the first 15 games.
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Accepting that, and that there might be some differences, the magnitude of the difference in growth in attendance Tuesday versus Saturday isn't going to change though is it? I mean, Saturday attendances will still have grown by 20-30% per year, while Tuesday ones will have been up by more like 10% per year. Which of these figures is closest to the rate of growth seen in season ticket numbers...?
 
Attendance Dulwich Hamlet v Macclesfield Town - 2,834
25th Febuary 2017 FA Trophy

That would be our third highest attendance at the new ground (but happy to be corrected)
 
Incidentally, our home league average is now 1255 after 16 games. 2 more than at the same point last season.
Unlikely we will exceed last season's average though as we will be playing 8 Tuesday games (at least) compared to 6 last time.
 
Felt like a lot more than 2834 were there yesterday! The crowd (and queues) even at 2pm was unreal.

Yesterday's crowd was higher than St Johnstone v Kilmarnock in the Scottish Premier League (2793).
 
blueheaven said:
Felt like a lot more than 2834 were there yesterday! The crowd (and queues) even at 2pm was unreal.

Yesterday's crowd was higher than St Johnstone v Kilmarnock in the Scottish Premier League (2793).
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We stood with the Macc fans in the second half and there was plenty of space, so there's your missing 166.
 
Spot on Clog, noticed these spaces there from the stand as I got the regular "seems more than that " comments when finally finished at turnstiles in time to catch the Ash goal. That said believe only Tranmere in "Non-League" football had a bigger gate than us yesterday.
 
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