Are there no meat-eating anarchists?

[Toast Rider]

Being vegan seems to be almost essential to an anarchist outlook or lifestyle? Or indeed any kind of radical anticapitalist approach.

What about even getting rid of capitalist industrial agriculture and raising animals in their natural environment (which is healthy for the land)?

I eat meat (to be clear, though i imagine that's fairly obvious at this point)

 

[Pickman's model]

yes there are meat-eating anarchists, i've even met one or two.

 

[Pickman's model]

Being vegan seems to be almost essential to an anarchist outlook or lifestyle? Or indeed any kind of radical anticapitalist approach.

...because?

 

[andysays]

Real anarchists eat babies

 

[joustmaster]

Real anarchists eat babies

But are the babies vegan?

 

[Wilf]

Being vegan seems to be almost essential to an anarchist outlook or lifestyle? Or indeed any kind of radical anticapitalist approach.

What about even getting rid of capitalist industrial agriculture and raising animals in their natural environment (which is healthy for the land)?

I eat meat (to be clear, though i imagine that's fairly obvious at this point)

Rather depends what you mean by anarchist. If you mean vaguely green/lifestylist types, I'm not even sure a majority are vegan, even if the bulk are vegetarian. If you mean libcom/class struggle anarchists, vegans definitely a minority.

 

[danny la rouge]

Lots of anarchists are meat eaters.

I don't agree with all that Bookchin writes here, but I do agree with his general evaluation of lifestyle anarchism: 8. Evaluating Lifestyle Anarchism

 

[butchersapron]

Lots of anarchists are meat eaters.

I don't agree with all that Bookchin writes here, but I do agree with his general evaluation of lifestyle anarchism: 8. Evaluating Lifestyle Anarchism

Janet biehl says in her biography of him that the thing that caused most friction between them was his daily habit of driving about a mile to MacDonald's to get his lunch.

 

[danny la rouge]

 

[Wilf]

Town Meeting - sponsored by MacDonalds.

 

[Athos]

I give the meat to my dog on a string.

 

[klang]

By chapter 2 of 'Whom The Bell Tolls' it is pretty clear that Robert Jordan and Co don't seem to care too much for a vegan diet:

'They were all eating out of the platter, not speaking, as is the Spanish custom. It was rabbit cooked with onions and green peppers and there were chick peas in the red wine sauce. It was well cooked, the rabbit meat flaked off the bones, and the sauce was delicious. Robert Jordan drank another cup of wine while he ate. The girl watched him all through the meal. Every one else was watching his food and eating. Robert Jordan wiped up the last of the sauce in front of him with a piece of bread, piled the rabbit bones to one side, wiped the spot where they had been for sauce, then wiped his fork clean with the bread, wiped his knife and put it away and ate the bread.'

 

[butchersapron]

That's Jordan the Yankee stalinist and his stalinist mates. One of the groups killling anarchists.

There actually was a quite a large number of VGs or veggies among the spanish anarchists. There was a def puritan current among the more ideologically committed.

 

[Gromit]

Maybe a lack of meat is what causes people's decline in mental faculties to the extent that the believe in a system that could never work.

 

[butchersapron]

Maybe a lack of meat is what causes people's decline in mental faculties to the extent that the believe in a system that could never work.

I'm not an atheist. I believe in unknowable God and / or Gods.

 

[Gromit]

Don't see any relevance. Unless you are accusing me of supporting theocracy? Which is the polar opposite of standpoint.

 

[butchersapron]

Game over.

 

[Shechemite]

But are the babies vegan?

Proper anarachists only seeds and shoots

 

[dessiato]

By chapter 2 of 'Whom The Bell Tolls' it is pretty clear that Robert Jordan and Co don't seem to care too much for a vegan diet:

'They were all eating out of the platter, not speaking, as is the Spanish custom. It was rabbit cooked with onions and green peppers and there were chick peas in the red wine sauce. It was well cooked, the rabbit meat flaked off the bones, and the sauce was delicious. Robert Jordan drank another cup of wine while he ate. The girl watched him all through the meal. Every one else was watching his food and eating. Robert Jordan wiped up the last of the sauce in front of him with a piece of bread, piled the rabbit bones to one side, wiped the spot where they had been for sauce, then wiped his fork clean with the bread, wiped his knife and put it away and ate the bread.'

A fantastic book. I must read it again.

 

[JimW]

raising animals in their natural environment

If you're raising them it's not their natural environment. I do love a pointless Internet gotcha.

 

[Toast Rider]

If you're raising them it's not their natural environment. I do love a pointless Internet gotcha.

Rather depends what you mean by anarchist. If you mean vaguely green/lifestylist types, I'm not even sure a majority are vegan, even if the bulk are vegetarian. If you mean libcom/class struggle anarchists, vegans definitely a minority.

It doesn't have to be anarchist specifically, but anyone that wants to live in a society free from unjustified power and authority, like capitalism. My experience with people whose views so align is that they are invariably vegan, and vice versa

 

[Toast Rider]

I give the meat to my dog on a string.

the meat or the dog?

 

[JimW]

It doesn't have to be anarchist specifically, but anyone that wants to live in a society free from unjustified power and authority, like capitalism. My experience with people whose views so align is that they are invariably vegan, and vice versa

Not been my experience (i.e. not invariably) and will be even less prevalent internationally I'd reckon.

 

[Toast Rider]

...because?

because what?

 

[Pickman's model]

because what?

yeh that's what i'm asking. what are your grounds for saying that being vegan seems essential to any kind of radical anticapitalist approach. and approach to what?

 

[DotCommunist]

this is bollocks. Plenty of people who want rid of capitalism are meat eaters, straight veggie, lactose intolerant, half rice half chips, no sugar after sundown etc

 

[Dragnet]

Being vegan seems to be almost essential to an anarchist outlook or lifestyle? Or indeed any kind of radical anticapitalist approach.

It's not essential; I'd perhaps say there's a greater proportion of vegetarians/vegans among anarchists than among 'non-anarchists', for whatever reason, but, in my experience at least, they're not the majority.

 

[seventh bullet]

I want rid of capitalism and ate a sausage roll last night.

 

[Toast Rider]

I want rid of capitalism and ate a sausage roll last night.

how do you live with yourself?

 

[JimW]

I suppose the baby-eating anarchists would count.