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It's neither a good thing nor a bad thing for consumers is it? Nobodies forcing you to take up an iphone and nobody shows any sign of following the same restrictions.

It's just another choice. Not mine, I hasten to add, but I can't see how one new entrant to the market suddenly is blamed for (theoretically) making things worse for the consumer in some way.
 
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Yes, but you often get a free phone with 18 month contracts and - of course - that's not the only length of contract available. Unlike the iPhone, punters can choose how long they want to their contract to be, how much they want to pay for the phone itself and at what monthly rate.
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Thats because there's only one iPhone. If you looked at single phone on a single carrier you would see a similar lack of choice.

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There's no way that you can spin Apple's 18-months-only-or-fuck-off deal as being some kind of great thing for consumers, especially when it's mixed in with bricking threats.
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Well... The chance of user-installable apps is around the corner and other phones have been locked to carriers before. And yes, I've heard of people bricking phones before when they unlocked them badly...

If you don't like the sound of the iPhone then don't get it. I still don't understand the rehashing of the same tired points... :confused:

Personally, compared to the Treo, the iPhone looks increasingly attractive. Its supported a heck of a lot more by Apple than the Treo is by Palm. Its a phone with a future. The Treo is a phone with a great past, and it looks increasingly like Palm aren't interested in its future...
 
jæd said:
Thats because there's only one iPhone. If you looked at single phone on a single carrier you would see a similar lack of choice.
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Show me one major phone that is only available on one network on a compulsory 18 month contract with a hefty monthly premium and big purchase price then.
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Well... The chance of user-installable apps is around the corner and other phones have been locked to carriers before.
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I'm not going to enter into an expensive 18 month contract with just the hope of eventually ending up with a phone that can do all the basic functions that every other (cheaper) smartphone can do, thanks.

Oh, and other phones have been locked to carriers, but I've never known any come with the threat of intentional bricking.

But, like you say, we've already been over this, so there's no need for you to respond.
 
rocketman said:
The other thing, if you take a look at the big Mac news websites in the US, the publishers are scared of Apple legal, and their journalists aren't paid enough or given sufficient opportunity to justify digging out the hard news stories (and to be honest. a lot of them just ain't capable of doing that in the first place). So there's this knowledge gap.
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Very true, they've had some degree of success in that area, damn shame really, those sites are great fun!
 
I am typing this from my iPod touch. The safari interface is quite pleasant to use and touch screen is not too bad. Obviously you wouldnt want to type an essay on here. Has anyone jailbroke one of these yet? Was it painless?
 
aboreal said:
I am typing this from my iPod touch. The safari interface is quite pleasant to use and touch screen is not too bad. Obviously you wouldnt want to type an essay on here. Has anyone jailbroke one of these yet? Was it painless?
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Ach - why bother? First real, tested apps should begin to surface in the next few weeks...
 
Trust me. I know this stuff.
But here's the evidence:

1. Apple has said it will release a development kit in February
2. That kit is now being tested by selected developers
3. Macworld Expo is next week, when Apple makes announcements
4. I'd consider it unlikely (not impossible) Apple would not use the event to showcase at least one or two applications developed or in development from others for the device.
5. This suggests first apps could appear mid-Feb - so in the next few weeks.

Most likely available through iTunes. But also tried and tested (so shouldn't kill yer fone).
 
I didn't mean you didn't know it. Just wanted a link that's all. But is it likely that these apps will come at a premium?
From what i gather jailbreaking the ipod touch will not break the device, just give the ability to install some nice apps. The idea of running metasploit on there for example sounds cool. It will not even void the warrenty and if it all goes tits up you can revert to the original firmware via the restore option.
That said i can't be bothered repopulating it with music and photo's again.

Re: the expo, I think the idea of an apple watch would be very interesting.
But it is only speculation based on a couple of things I have heard and i can't think what else the swiss make.
 
Boris Sprinkler said:
I didn't mean you didn't know it. Just wanted a link that's all. But is it likely that these apps will come at a premium?
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I think it's fair to say that any new 'official' iPhone apps won't exactly be priced at the bottom end of the market.

Similar WM programs to Palm apps often cost more and there was, of course, a lot less freeware about.

If someone developed a NoteStudio like app for the iPhone I'd definitely look at it again although I'm not sure if I'll ever get over the lack of keyboard.
 
the ipod touch keyboard is not bad actually. Not as great as the one i had on the treo but better than the blackberry pearl. It doesn't like Danish though
 
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I think it's fair to say that any new 'official' iPhone apps won't exactly be priced at the bottom end of the market.
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Well... I'd be expecting them to be priced reasonably, and around the Palm o/s price range. If the app is good, there's a large market hungry for it.

Though this all depends on the SDK produced and how open it is and easy to use...
 
jæd said:
Well... I'd be expecting them to be priced reasonably, and around the Palm o/s price range. If the app is good, there's a large market hungry for it.

Though this all depends on the SDK produced and how open it is and easy to use...
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I would have thought that the fatc that the developers have to go through hoops to get the app approved would add extra costs in itself.
 
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I would have thought that the fatc that the developers have to go through hoops to get the app approved would add extra costs in itself.
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Well, it depends on what hoops they would have to go through. Probably best to wait and see what developing an app for the iPhone actually entails before speculating...?
 
For apps prices I guess we'd have to look at the cost of games on iPods, which are £4.99. I'd hesitate to say all apps will be that price - it does depend on the utility of the app, and I'd like some (Flash, for example) to be free.
Saying that, price structure is pure speculation.
As per developers jumping hoops to get apps approved, well, surely that occurs on almost any development platform? The hoops (for the most part) will prolly be built into the API.
 
Boris Sprinkler said:
the ipod touch keyboard is not bad actually. Not as great as the one i had on the treo but better than the blackberry pearl. It doesn't like Danish though
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I found the touch keyboard easier to use than the Treo (buttons too small and close together)...the pearl is a bit fiddly though.
 
In summary an iPhone is an iPhone at home but just phone abroad unless you can find some decent wifi or have deep pockets.

Well shock horror! My old phone was just a phone abroad too. So I'm not exactly losing out. If you travel a lot and want a cheap phone at home at a cheap phone abroad your best bet is probably to buy a cheap PAYG phone in whatever country/ies you frequent.
 
Marius said:
Well shock horror! My old phone was just a phone abroad too. So I'm not exactly losing out. If you travel a lot and want a cheap phone at home at a cheap phone abroad your best bet is probably to buy a cheap PAYG phone in whatever country/ies you frequent.
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The big difference is that with most phones you can just pop in a SIM of a local network and carry on using your own smartphone.
 
editor said:
The big difference is that with most phones you can just pop in a SIM of a local network and carry on using your own smartphone.
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Big difference indeed.
 
Yeah, greedy mobile companies in customer rip off horror.
And it's worse in the US, as companies there don't have European regulators breathing down their neck demanding cheaper roaming charges. Instead they have the post-BUsh DOJ, and we know how useless they are.
Still, maybe good news (kind of) coming:
http://tinyurl.com/2vwqdr

"Consumers in Spain, the UK, Germany, the Czech Republic and Ireland will benefit from cuts of more than 40% in data roaming prices, while the cost of sending a text message home from anywhere in the European Union falls to a maximum of €0.32 + VAT."
 
editor said:
The big difference is that with most phones you can just pop in a SIM of a local network and carry on using your own smartphone.
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Then just take an old phone with you. The upside being that if it get knicked or lost, you haven't lost your iPhone... :D
 
rocketman said:
Yeah, greedy mobile companies in customer rip off horror.
And it's worse in the US, as companies there don't have European regulators breathing down their neck demanding cheaper roaming charges. Instead they have the post-BUsh DOJ, and we know how useless they are.
Still, maybe good news (kind of) coming:
http://tinyurl.com/2vwqdr

"Consumers in Spain, the UK, Germany, the Czech Republic and Ireland will benefit from cuts of more than 40% in data roaming prices, while the cost of sending a text message home from anywhere in the European Union falls to a maximum of €0.32 + VAT."
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It would nice people if people wanting to take their iPhone abroad manage to raise awareness of this...
 
editor said:
The big difference is that with most phones you can just pop in a SIM of a local network and carry on using your own smartphone.
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That is a good point. I also hate the fact i can't swap out a low battery for a fresh one as the case is sealed.
A very useful ability to have if you are using your only communication device to use use power draining applications such as MP3 and video playing plus surfing the web.

Still i knew there would be sacrifices as Apple design is always primariliy about style over substance.
 
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