Apple iPhone

[paolo]

Do tell more!

Its a series of third party software licenses. If this excites you, you can find loads of them on the web. Start with the gpl 2.0 license. Then there's the IBM license relating to the bsd kernel, the various open source libraries such as open type.

Do you want me to post them here?

 

[editor]

Its a series of third party software licenses. If this excites you, you can find loads of them on the web. Start with the gpl 2.0 license. Then there's the IBM license relating to the bsd kernel, the various open source libraries such as open type.

I was rather hoping for a summary of the contentious points implied by rocketman.

 

[paolo]

rocketman ? Is it going to be a long long time ? It will be if you read all of them

 

[rocketman]

Hi sorry I don't have time to get into this right now, but there's some statements on data that I find a little suspect, I think these may be admonitions in the agreement popped in by O2, but can't quite tell. Equally, of course, balanced investigation requires checking the legal agreements that cover other similar devices, as this could be standard stuff, but is it? That I don't know. Worth a look I think,

 

[fjydj]

has anyone unlocked their UK iphone, and is it easy to do?

 

[dogmatique]

There's plenty of solutions on google, and likely more, free solutions to come soon.

Plus there's plenty of already unlocked iPhones on eBay.

Re the multi site synching thing, looks like you can't do it for music (yet), but there are work rounds if you synch say, info at one site, and music at another.

Good little video here

 

[bouncer_the_dog]

Saw some posing tosser on the train with one tonight, he kept move pictures around and zooming in on them then looking up every so often to see if anyone was watching, then back to more wanky iPhone play, more looking up.

After he gave up, he put it away and pulled out a 5g iPod and proceed to hold it out in front of him then scroll through music (I assume).

Thats almost exactly what I would do if I had one

 

[pinkmonkey]

I'd be terrified if I had one, might as well have 'mug me' written on your forehead. It's bad enough as it is, I don't use my phone in the street in plenty of places for that reason.

 

[Kid_Eternity]

Saw someone else with one on the tube yesterday, some young kid pulled it out saw me look at it with interest and had the look of fear on his face, promptly shoved it back in his pocket!

 

[editor]

Much as I expected, the iPhone 'virtual' keyboard is proving more inaccurate than a good ol' QWERTY jobbie:

The researchers found that while iPhone users entered text as fast as their counterparts, they made significantly more texting errors. iPhone users made 5.6 errors per message, while keyboard users made 2.1 mistakes per message and numeric phone typers made 2.4 mistakes...

Surprisingly, the study found that iPhone texters don't improve with experience. The researchers also asked users in the other groups to send text messages using the iPhone. These novice iPhone users made mistakes at the same rate as people who have owned iPhones for at least one month, the study found.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/pcworld/20071114/tc_pcworld/139617;_ylt=ApFrSjIVoRL4fof8CGRdexqSxLEF

I really don't like the feel of onscreen keyboards either.

 

[jæd]

Much as I expected, the iPhone 'virtual' keyboard is proving more inaccurate than a good ol' QWERTY jobbie:
I really don't like the feel of onscreen keyboards either.

The study, while based on an extremely small sample size, makes for interesting reading.

Had a play with my Boss's new iPhone... When's the new Centro coming out...? I might be tempted, though I don't want to switch to O2 again...

 

[Bob_the_lost]

My mate has a touch, they are very pretty things indeed.

 

[editor]

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Yes, it was a small sample, but it's in line with many people's experiences (mine included). Do you disagree with its findings?

No idea when the Centro is coming out but I wish it would hurry up.

 

[jæd]

Yes, it was a small sample, but it's in line with many people's experiences (mine included). Do you disagree with its findings?

More details on the survey are at http://www.usercentric.com/news.asp?ID=391

There's no disputing their results, but I'd question the methodology (ie, the small sample size). Comparing the Treo's keyboard to the Touch's I'd say I probably make about the same number of mistakes on each. (Then again, for something extended I'd still prefer a bigger keyboard)

 

[Kid_Eternity]

Well I managed to use the touch while drunk with no real problems! The lack of actual buttons doesn't bother me in the slightest...anyway this gives me the perfect excuse to .

 

[editor]

MComparing the Treo's keyboard to the Touch's I'd say I probably make about the same number of mistakes on each. (Then again, for something extended I'd still prefer a bigger keyboard)

There's a world of difference between a real physical keyboard with tactile feedback and an on-screen one, and I'd expect even small ones like the Treo's to outperform virtual ones. As this survey discovered.

Phone keyboard leads to more errors, say usability consultants
Although iPhone users were able to text as quickly as QWERTY-keyboard owners, iPhone typists made more than twice as many errors. Even worse, many of these errors were left uncorrected, apparently due to (lack of) familiarity with the magnifying glass that lets you correct text. The study suggested that people new to the iPhone made about the same number of errors as regular iPhone owners, and also found that users of numeric keypads made far less errors on QWERTY keyboards than on the iPhone

More:

"Participants also indicated a preference for hard-key Qwerty phones when texting," said User Centric's Jen Allen.

But what of the iPhone's much-vaunted ability to monitor users' input and adjust itself accordingly for better typing results?

Thumbs-down, alas: "While the iPhone's corrective text feature helps, this data suggests that iPhone users who have owned the device for a month still make about the same number of errors as the day they got it," User Centric's Managing Director, Gavin Lew, said.
http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/11/14/iphone_vs_blackberry/

 

[Kid_Eternity]

I found the touch keyboard better than the Treo because its better spaced, the Treo's is too cramped for me...

 

[stdPikachu]

Much as I expected, the iPhone 'virtual' keyboard is proving more inaccurate than a good ol' QWERTY jobbie

I wish they'd used the craptacular half-QWERTY keyboard my blackberry has, it's appallingly unintuitive. The keyboard on the BB 8700 was great, but the buttons on the 8100 a) are small b) have no gaps between them c) have piss-poor tactile feedback d) the auto-correct software is fucking bollocks. Prolly still better than a virtual keyboard but gimme a good ol' qwerty any day.

/me sinks back down below parapet

 

[perplexis]

Ended up ordering the Tytn II from Orange. Got a T-Mobile Flext 25-style tariff, 30Mb data during the day, and unlimited evening and weekend data for £33/month. Phone was only £40 too.

I got one of them.
Windows Mobile is a piece of total crapshite.
It takes ages to respond to the call answer of end buttons, and it's just generally ugly and lame. I am trying to find a way of installing Linux (or a better ROM) on it without breaking it.

 

[jæd]

There's a world of difference between a real physical keyboard with tactile feedback and an on-screen one, and I'd expect even small ones like the Treo's to outperform virtual ones. As this survey discovered.

The survey, and my personal experiences are two different things...

 

[editor]

The actual sales figures are slowly filtering through and they're nowhere near as high as tabloid claims:

iPhone sales were below tabloid guesstimates of 100,000 (The Sun & The Guardian) and 70,000 (The Mirror) - Peter Erskine, CEO of UK operator O2 said the number was in the "tens of thousands"...

...That's probably not what O2 was thinking when it hired 1,400 extra staff ahead of the launch to cope with "unprecedented" demand. Apple's retail partners even shut up shop ahead of the launch on Friday afternoon to prepare for the crush.

So how well did the iPhone really do at the weekend?

Carphone Warehouse, with over 1,000 stores in the UK, did most of the heavy lifting. O2 has 300 high street shops here and Apple just 12. A channel source tells us that Carphone took stock of 50,000 but only shifted around 11,000.

In the much larger German market, T-Mobile shifted about 10,000 iPhones. So Erskine's "tens of thousands" claim is defensible. Just. But the Europeans appear to be far more circumspect about the wonderphone than Americans. Apple says it sold one million iPhones in the first 74 days in the US.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/11/13/iphone_aftermath_some_numbers/

 

[Xanadu]

I got one of them.
Windows Mobile is a piece of total crapshite.
It takes ages to respond to the call answer of end buttons, and it's just generally ugly and lame. I am trying to find a way of installing Linux (or a better ROM) on it without breaking it.

Not had too many problems with windows mobile. I thought it wasn't a bad looking device - my friends like the look of it.

 

[editor]

They've got five iPhones out on a dedicated display in the Carphone Warehouse in Brixton, all of them uncharged last time I looked. Nice work store staff!

 

[paolo]

The actual sales figures are slowly filtering through and they're nowhere near as high as tabloid claims:

I don't know where those inflated figures came from. Cpw said they expected to sell 10,000 - which is what they sold. But I guess that's not such an exciting story. A bit like the Pc pro 'shock double contract revelation'.

And rocketman with his 'special clauses' story. So special he doesn't have time to talk about them.

It's a way of getting attention I suppose.

 

[paolo]

a much more worthy - and very real - story is carphone warehouse staff lying to sell their very expensive insurance. This has been happening at several stores. If the register had actually been following the real word-on-the-forums stuff, they would know about this.

 

[Pie 1]

I discovered a childishly amusing new game whilst in the Temple of Apple the other day.

Whilst having a good old fiddle with an iPhone I keept getting harassed by a horribly over familiar staffer - ( I shit you not: "Hi! You look like you're loving the iPhone!") - so I had a bit of fun with her when she persisted in asking "can I show you some of the brilliant features!?"
So I said "Yes, ok. Can you show me how to send text mesages to multiple contacts, how to cut & paste and how I can plug in my nice £80 Sennheiser headphones?

 

[Sunray]

I discovered a childishly amusing new game whilst in the Temple of Apple the other day.

Whilst having a good old fiddle with an iPhone I keept getting harassed by a horribly over familiar staffer - ( I shit you not: "Hi! You look like you're loving the iPhone!") - so I had a bit of fun with her when she persisted in asking "can I show you some of the brilliant features!?"
So I said "Yes, ok. Can you show me how to send text mesages to multiple contacts, how to cut & paste and how I can plug in my nice £80 Sennheiser headphones?

I think that is as bad as waiting in line to buy one, surely you have better things to do than harass people who I can imagine would love to not be working in an Apple store.

 

[Pie 1]

I think that is as bad as waiting in line to buy one, surely you have better things to do than harass people who I can imagine would love to not be working in an Apple store.

Oh, fuck off.

 

[rocketman]

And rocketman with his 'special clauses' story. So special he doesn't have time to talk about them..

So you haven't gone and looked at the legal on your iPhone in order to consider it yourself?

FYI: I'm following the legal agreement up, taking advice and so on in order to determine if it's a standard agreement or not. Because it could be a story. Why don't you take a look and see for yourself, rather than being such a snide cunt?

Ah well, "you are all individuals", "yes, we are all individuals".

 

[Kid_Eternity]

Wow er this thread turned oddly nasty. What the hell is up with you lot?