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Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
editor said:
Yes your point seemed a little thin hence my question.
I've yet to see anything that the other territories the networks gave that much revenue.
editor
hiraethified
Why was my point 'thin'?Kid_Eternity said:
I said that "if Apple are getting up to 40 per cent of the carrier's iPhone revenues, it's absolutely in their interest to maximise that return."
That makes perfect sense so I'm still baffled as to what your point is.
Thing is, you haven't a clue what the figures are. Neither have I.Kid_Eternity said:
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Sorry but your 'if' looked more like a an assertation than a question upon first reading. Still don't think your point is a particulary big one though...anyhoo...editor said:
Anyone care to speculate on what this Friday's update will bring? I had an odd thought that the unlocking thing was pr to stir up interest in Apple ahead of a biggish update announcement...
Structaural
in Chatsubo
ha
here's the list:
Today, Apple released updates for iPhone and iWork. The iWork updates were all bug fixes, while the iPhone update provided some much needed features. Most wanted was the iTunes Wi-Fi music store. Here is the list of all the new features, courtesy of MacRumors.com
-iTunes Wi-Fi Music Store
- Louder speakerphone and receiver volume
- Home Button double-click shortcut to phone favorites or music controls
- Space bar double-tap shortcut to intelligently insert period and space
- Mail attachments are viewable in portrait and landscape
- Stocks and cities in Stocks and Weather can be re-ordered
- Apple Bluetooth Headset battery status in the Status Bar
- Support for TV Out
- Preference to turn off EDGE/GPRS when roaming internationally
- New Passcode lock time intervals
- Adjustable alert volume
This update has broken all applications installed by Installer.app. All installed applications were deleted when the update was applied. Do not update your phone if you have unlocked it.
Here is a list of what will happen to your iPhone, courtesy of Engadget.com
- The update will work ok in iPhones with no modification.
- The update will work ok in iPhones with Installer.app (although it gets wiped out. The apps seem to remain in the iPhone, but they won't appear in your screen.)
- The update will work ok in unlocked iPhones, but it will return your iPhone to the activation screen. From there, no activation is possible. The iPhone doesn't get bricked but, if you want to keep using it, don't update your iPhone.
- This has been confirmed with both anySIM and iPhone Sim Free.
- "Third-party applications won't work after the update" (confirmed by Dev Team.)
- "Firmware 1.1.1. relocks iPhone properly"
here's the list:
Today, Apple released updates for iPhone and iWork. The iWork updates were all bug fixes, while the iPhone update provided some much needed features. Most wanted was the iTunes Wi-Fi music store. Here is the list of all the new features, courtesy of MacRumors.com
-iTunes Wi-Fi Music Store
- Louder speakerphone and receiver volume
- Home Button double-click shortcut to phone favorites or music controls
- Space bar double-tap shortcut to intelligently insert period and space
- Mail attachments are viewable in portrait and landscape
- Stocks and cities in Stocks and Weather can be re-ordered
- Apple Bluetooth Headset battery status in the Status Bar
- Support for TV Out
- Preference to turn off EDGE/GPRS when roaming internationally
- New Passcode lock time intervals
- Adjustable alert volume
This update has broken all applications installed by Installer.app. All installed applications were deleted when the update was applied. Do not update your phone if you have unlocked it.
Here is a list of what will happen to your iPhone, courtesy of Engadget.com
- The update will work ok in iPhones with no modification.
- The update will work ok in iPhones with Installer.app (although it gets wiped out. The apps seem to remain in the iPhone, but they won't appear in your screen.)
- The update will work ok in unlocked iPhones, but it will return your iPhone to the activation screen. From there, no activation is possible. The iPhone doesn't get bricked but, if you want to keep using it, don't update your iPhone.
- This has been confirmed with both anySIM and iPhone Sim Free.
- "Third-party applications won't work after the update" (confirmed by Dev Team.)
- "Firmware 1.1.1. relocks iPhone properly"
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
jæd said:Looks like they've locked it down again... All over the blogosphere there's geeks crying over their iPhones...!
Yeah, I read. Heh.
Structaural
in Chatsubo
I hope some fucker sues apple and wins.
editor
hiraethified
Loads of people are reporting that their iPhones are now well and truly borked.
http://iphone.macworld.com/2007/09/bricking_my_ipod_1.php
Apple has a PR nightmare brewing
http://iphone.macworld.com/2007/09/bricking_my_ipod_1.php
Apple has a PR nightmare brewing
editor
hiraethified
I suggest you take it up with the author of the article if you disagree with his opinion but it's worth noting that most of the people who are having problems are Apple fans who - just like Steve Jobs when he started out - like to fiddle about with the things they've bought.jæd said:
After all, no other phone manufacturer has gone quite so far out of their way to completely bork unlocked phones AFAIK.
Structaural
in Chatsubo
Cunts, they could at least allow a factory restore. They're bricking phones that haven't even been unlocked - just a few extra apps on there.
Structaural
in Chatsubo
Mind you I've got no sympathy for those who ran the update with unlocked phones. Dickheads. Should have waited for the crack.
Like putting petrol in a diesel car and then wondering why your engines fucked.
Like putting petrol in a diesel car and then wondering why your engines fucked.
editor
hiraethified
Outrageous! How dare some punters have the audacity to install non-Jobs approved programs on their own phones that they paid for!!Structaural said:
It's only a shame that Apple can't make the phones go up in a ball of flames as well because those punters need proper punishment.
editor said:
Well, I notice someone has pointed out Apple's clear warning on that blog. The issue of borked unhacked phones is IMO much more of a PR problem...
I wonder what Apple changed...? I'm guessing they modified the iPhones file system so that apps couldn't run from a user-space. (Like the iPod touch...) This could explained the bricked un-hacked phones... (ie, the wrong apps being kept from running)
Shippou-Sensei
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i think they are waiting to load the upgrade that means that any unlocked phone acts as a homing signal for apples orbiting laser cannon
that'll teach em
that'll teach em
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
jæd said:
Yeah I thought pretty much, if anything the news the other day was done to avoid the shock and outrage of the re-lock.
Kid_Eternity
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Structaural said:
Good analogy.
cybertect
It's grim up north (London)
untethered said:
That assumes they Apple have sufficient production capacity available to meet demand by selling the iPhone with all networks, or (more accurately) that they can risk buying sufficient manufacturing capacity at launch to meet demand that may or may not exist for a totally new product category for the company.
Remember also the trouble Apple had selling the Newton PDA in the mid-90s. Apple got burned badly and have never forgotten it. Whether the iPhone was going to tank like that, or take off like the iPod (which was a slow build on sales to begin with) was anybody's guess.
Other *phone* manufacturers have well established brands in the market, existing production capacity on tap and will be much better able to predict how sales will go for their new models.
It seems that, even with the AT&T being the only player in town, they did manage to shift a million iPhones by early September, three weeks ahead of target.
As it is, the 8GB model has proven far more popular than expected to the point that they're ceasing manufacture of the 4GB one.
Expect the exclusive deals with single carriers to disappear once Apple is confident they can recoup their investment on new iPhones.
editor
hiraethified
Spurred on by garnering a response from Palm's head honcho to their 'open letter' a while ago, Mac fanboys deluxe Engadget seem to think they're perfectly positioned to despatch another of their 'open letters', this time to Apple: http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/01/a-note-to-both-apple-and-iphone-customers-on-the-v1-1-1-update/
untethered
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editor said:
I love those open letters.
They're usually couched in terms of, "I'm your biggest fan but here are 150 reasons you're utterly hopeless."
Do you ever get any of those about Urban, editor?
editor said:
The "open letter" just makes Engadget seem to be up its on arse about how important it is. It also misses the point about Apple not making computers for geeks. Non-geeks don't tend to install apps on phones and rarely unlock them...
There'll be an unlock for the iPhone sometime next year, probably when the SDK comes out to, (a) prop up sales (and it be interesting watching the geeks doing a about-face when that comes out) and (b) satisfy EU requirements...
Sunray
Its sunny somewhere.
Thing is, its amazing just how influential the fanbois are. These people will kick up such a storm its reported as major news and the loser so far is Apple which until they do a U-turn I can't see as a bad thing.
I was tempted, but after listening to the constant stream of shit from the 'Church of Apple' I aint gonna buy another Apple gadget ever again. Apple can fuck off with its control freakery.
I was tempted, but after listening to the constant stream of shit from the 'Church of Apple' I aint gonna buy another Apple gadget ever again. Apple can fuck off with its control freakery.
Sunray said:
Ha... this thread reminds me of one of Tarrannau's obsesssed man united hating ones. Yawn.
Ever noticed how 'fanbois' never bother posting up threads commenting on MS's latest 'innovations'? I mean whats the point? Certain posters on this thread have a bizarre and unhealthy obsession with hating Mac, which i really dont get. I use both OS's daily and its clear to me which is vastly superior. Its not from seattle.
Enjoy ya blue screens tho bois
Sunray said:
You reckon...? The most I see is a bunch of geeks spending way too long obsessing over a new gadget. Its keeping the phone in the news which is to Apple's benefit. I suppose when Apple unlock it/offer a sdk it will be a u-turn "caused by the geeks". Ie, yet more pr for the Apple Company...
Sunray
Its sunny somewhere.
gabi said:Ha... this thread reminds me of one of Tarrannau's obsesssed man united hating ones. Yawn.
Ever noticed how 'fanbois' never bother posting up threads commenting on MS's latest 'innovations'? I mean whats the point? Certain posters on this thread have a bizarre and unhealthy obsession with hating Mac, which i really dont get. I use both OS's daily and its clear to me which is vastly superior. Its not from seattle.
Enjoy ya blue screens tho bois
What this got to do with the Mac or PC's?
This is a mobile phone thread. A phone that I was moderately tempted by, but have been utterly put off by all the unnecessary shit that Apple included with what could be a interesting bit of kit.
Anyway, I can't recall the last time I had an unexpected system crash with either Vista or a XP in the last 5 years, so that blue screen shit is just that, shit.
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