But you don't... If you don't want to upgrade to 2.0 then upgrade to the 1.1.5 firmware which is mostly bug fixes, and is free...
See : http://www.macrumors.com/2008/07/15/apple-releases-ipod-touch-1-1-5-firmware/
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But you don't... If you don't want to upgrade to 2.0 then upgrade to the 1.1.5 firmware which is mostly bug fixes, and is free...
See : http://www.macrumors.com/2008/07/15/apple-releases-ipod-touch-1-1-5-firmware/
Structaural
in Chatsubo
good Popular Mechanics article on the new iPhone:
http://www.popularmechanics.com/blogs/technology_news/4273287.html
http://www.popularmechanics.com/blogs/technology_news/4273287.html
Structaural
in Chatsubo
True, I hadn't quite finished watching it. Not up to Pop Mechs usual standards.
Sunray
Its sunny somewhere.
O2 seem to have finally got on the ball with their own website, 25th of July is when they are going to re-open the online shop perhaps with some 16Gb versions. No stock of the 16Gb version today. Apple are idiots building more 8Gb versions than 16Gb versions. 16Gb cannot really be considered 'large' by anyone because it plays video. You want some music on there and there are the Apps when they get going properly.
Structaural
in Chatsubo
I'm on an iPhone birthday promise but I'll have to wait for restocks. I'm without a mobile, it's quite liberating.
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hiraethified
Here's Engadget's results. I wouldn't be surprised if they skewed it slightly in Apple's favour seeing as their iPhone fanboydon has been completely off the scale recently:
But here's the crunch:
Bizarrely they don't list the talk time, which is probably the most important bit for a lot of users.
For me, it's the 'data use' time that's the number one thing. I do at least 4 hours a day. Talk time when out and about, in comparison, is minimal for me.
If they really got 6h 30m for 'data use', then I'd be very happy. But I can't see it - that's about what I got on the 2G fresh out of the box, and it's been down to about 4.5 hours of late.
If they really got 6h 30m for 'data use', then I'd be very happy. But I can't see it - that's about what I got on the 2G fresh out of the box, and it's been down to about 4.5 hours of late.
elbows
Well-Known Member
It is dumb of them not to include talk time. Apps, especially games, are also likely to cause battery complaints. Some 3D web stuff Ive been experimenting with on ipod touch is absolutely eating the battery.
Poor battery performance has annoyed the people at work who got Nokia N95's. These same people are now getting iphones, someone managed to get one yesterday from the Solihull Apple store, time will tell if the battery lets them down.
After playing round with web app development for 2.0, Im very excited, finally some evolution and the chance to develop stuff that turns out real nice. However the iphone clearly has some serious flaws and so I hope the UI goodness spreads to other platforms, I dont want to put my livelihood in Apple's hands for a start, but at least they cant reject web apps like they can native ones.
Poor battery performance has annoyed the people at work who got Nokia N95's. These same people are now getting iphones, someone managed to get one yesterday from the Solihull Apple store, time will tell if the battery lets them down.
After playing round with web app development for 2.0, Im very excited, finally some evolution and the chance to develop stuff that turns out real nice. However the iphone clearly has some serious flaws and so I hope the UI goodness spreads to other platforms, I dont want to put my livelihood in Apple's hands for a start, but at least they cant reject web apps like they can native ones.
Sunray
Its sunny somewhere.
I reckon that that will be very similar to the Data use, take and data are all the same in the end, digital data. Wonder where the test was done btw. 3G power is very sensitive to how far it is away from the base station its connected to, if its weak it will ramp up the power to compensate and down goes your connection time.
Anyway, power on the iPhone 3G is shit, I know its shit. I'm not going to be racking up hours of browsing, so as long as it doesn't die in less than one day i reckon I'll be OK. Need a desktop charger I think.
Anyway, power on the iPhone 3G is shit, I know its shit. I'm not going to be racking up hours of browsing, so as long as it doesn't die in less than one day i reckon I'll be OK. Need a desktop charger I think.
For those of you thinking of upgrading, looks like you can get the following on ebay, for your 2G phone:
Used, Good Condition, Unhacked.
- 8gb: £200
- 16gb: £300
The numbers above are 'typical', although there's the occasional auctions going up to £100 over that.
About £50 more for BNIB.
And about £50 more for unlocked.
Used, Good Condition, Unhacked.
- 8gb: £200
- 16gb: £300
The numbers above are 'typical', although there's the occasional auctions going up to £100 over that.
About £50 more for BNIB.
And about £50 more for unlocked.
I'd expect Talk to be longer really - display shuts down, which is quite big power draw.
Sunray
Its sunny somewhere.
Ahh, didn't think of that, yes quite a bit longer. That screen is probably the biggest power draw of the device.
Gromit
International Man of Misery
I think i read somewhere that there is a difference between 3G talktime and 2G talktime. So if you turn 3G off you get longer.
Yes also true.
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hiraethified
Like I said, I'd take it with a pinch of salt as it comes from the #1 Apple fanboy tech site, Engadget, who seemed to lose all sense of objectivity about iPhone matters a long time ago.
Crispy
The following psytrance is baṉned: All
Here's a better source:
http://gizmodo.com/5025309/round-up-nine-iphone-3g-battery-life-test-results
9 battery test results.
http://gizmodo.com/5025309/round-up-nine-iphone-3g-battery-life-test-results
9 battery test results.
dogmatique
merde alors
If you live in a patchy 3G area, the battery life is supposed to be excerable due to it constantly trying to find a signal. Same as on other phones, except this also has one mother of a display to power too.
Palpable excitement at Chez Dogmatique, as I recieved my new 3G 16gigger today, and more importantly, Ms Dogmatique gets her hands on my old "classic" (snigger, yes, that's what they're calling it) iPhone.
Needless to say, she can't wait for her sim to be activated with the iPhone tarrif tomorrow afternoon, so I'm having to go through the jailbreak process for one evening only.
Gotta keep the lady happy, eh?
As for the new one - well, obviously there's little difference apart from the new scratchy / smudgy back and 3G and GPS.
The display does have the yellow tinge instead of blue, but it does make images / icons a bit more colourful rather than cold, but it's a minor difference.
I can report that the GPS signal (so far) has proved to be extremely snappy compared with the N95 - a few seconds from a cold start. Shame there's no turn-by-turn software yet.
Web pages on 3G aren't revolutionary in their loading time, but they are most definately significantly faster as one would expect.
I would tentatively say that the software needs a good tweak, as I've noticed relatively sluggish response at times for contacts and typing.
This is the same on the "classic" (snigger) though, so it's definately the 2.0 software.
As the advert says, it's the iPhone we were waiting for last year - no great woops here.
Palpable excitement at Chez Dogmatique, as I recieved my new 3G 16gigger today, and more importantly, Ms Dogmatique gets her hands on my old "classic" (snigger, yes, that's what they're calling it) iPhone.
Needless to say, she can't wait for her sim to be activated with the iPhone tarrif tomorrow afternoon, so I'm having to go through the jailbreak process for one evening only.
Gotta keep the lady happy, eh?
As for the new one - well, obviously there's little difference apart from the new scratchy / smudgy back and 3G and GPS.
The display does have the yellow tinge instead of blue, but it does make images / icons a bit more colourful rather than cold, but it's a minor difference.
I can report that the GPS signal (so far) has proved to be extremely snappy compared with the N95 - a few seconds from a cold start. Shame there's no turn-by-turn software yet.
Web pages on 3G aren't revolutionary in their loading time, but they are most definately significantly faster as one would expect.
I would tentatively say that the software needs a good tweak, as I've noticed relatively sluggish response at times for contacts and typing.
This is the same on the "classic" (snigger) though, so it's definately the 2.0 software.
As the advert says, it's the iPhone we were waiting for last year - no great woops here.
The spread of results there looks more realistic. For my needs it looks just about tolerable. Might have to buy another USB cable so I can plug in at my (currently non-existent) desk.
Sort of related, iFixit's dismantle revealed a battery part number that, when googled, shows (from a single source, so unverified) that the 'new' battery is 1150mAh, down on the 1400mAh of the 2G, and indeed lower than the N95 8GB. Hmm; bit disappointing.
I wonder how much more punch they could have got by adding a few more mils to the case? Pointless to speculate I guess. I'll probably take the plunge anyway. At the moment there isn't really any alternative for browsing (apart from staying with the 2G of course).
Interesting stuff dog...
The display does have the yellow tinge instead of blue, but it does make images / icons a bit more colourful rather than cold, but it's a minor difference.
Quite a few people are reporting that.
I can report that the GPS signal (so far) has proved to be extremely snappy compared with the N95 - a few seconds from a cold start.
I believe that could be down it being A-GPS. Where it uses other methods (e.g. antennae triangulation) to determine a far more limited number of satellites to hunt for.
Shame there's no turn-by-turn software yet.
For the benefit of non-users, this means 'automated guidance', e.g. position tracking, route-recalculation, voice prompting etc. (The google maps app will give a list of turns, but not do all of that other stuff that is the essence of a proper driving sat nav).
It'll be interesting to see what happens here. Development of automated guidance is expressly forbidden in the dev agreement. So either Apple are going to do it themselves, or they are going to license the 'authorisation' to develop to someone else, and take a hefty chunk of revenue either way.
I would tentatively say that the software needs a good tweak, as I've noticed relatively sluggish response at times for contacts and typing.
Slower than the 1.x software then, by the sounds of it?
The display does have the yellow tinge instead of blue, but it does make images / icons a bit more colourful rather than cold, but it's a minor difference.
Quite a few people are reporting that.
I can report that the GPS signal (so far) has proved to be extremely snappy compared with the N95 - a few seconds from a cold start.
I believe that could be down it being A-GPS. Where it uses other methods (e.g. antennae triangulation) to determine a far more limited number of satellites to hunt for.
Shame there's no turn-by-turn software yet.
For the benefit of non-users, this means 'automated guidance', e.g. position tracking, route-recalculation, voice prompting etc. (The google maps app will give a list of turns, but not do all of that other stuff that is the essence of a proper driving sat nav).
It'll be interesting to see what happens here. Development of automated guidance is expressly forbidden in the dev agreement. So either Apple are going to do it themselves, or they are going to license the 'authorisation' to develop to someone else, and take a hefty chunk of revenue either way.
I would tentatively say that the software needs a good tweak, as I've noticed relatively sluggish response at times for contacts and typing.
Slower than the 1.x software then, by the sounds of it?
Gromit
International Man of Misery
I wondered how they were dropping the price. The plastic back was alone wasn't funding it.
A less powerful and therefore cheaper battery though
I wouldn't mind so much if you could swap em easily in and out but for a sealed unit thats not good news.
I was hoping for a stronger battery than the 2G not a weaker one. I'm now considering holding onto my 2G with longer battery life as I hammer the phone on data use.
I wondered how they were dropping the price. The plastic back was alone wasn't funding it.
A less powerful and therefore cheaper battery though
More expensive in the US (in real terms), so I'm not sure whether you can attribute the battery to the price.
The only improvement there, very very minor, and of no help in the 'daily life' issue, is that it's not soldered anymore.
I was hoping that they'd have at least balanced it all out, to get the same battery life. I hammer mine on data use too.
dogmatique
merde alors
Good thing this also arrived this morning coincidentally by all accounts...
Yep, definately some sluggishness compared to the 1.... software.
Other little design quirks - The screen and bezel are separated by slightly more than 1MM, with what looks like a recessed rubber seal underneath, which gives enough space for your fingernail. this will certainly fill up with smeg.
Not decided whether that's a design flaw or a concious attempt to keep the glass separated from the shell in the event of a drop to hard surface.
Also, the screen is no longer attached directly to the glass - there's a discernable gap, which gives the screen a slightly more reflective / window feeling. Maybe that's another reason for the change from a blue emphasis to yellow in the LCD (which Apple are claiming is deliberate, not a "known issue").
Won't know how awful the battery life is till I've used it over the next few days. Can't make a decent prediction as 3G coverage is patchy all over London, especially in it's Southern hill and dale environs.
Yep, definately some sluggishness compared to the 1.... software.
Other little design quirks - The screen and bezel are separated by slightly more than 1MM, with what looks like a recessed rubber seal underneath, which gives enough space for your fingernail. this will certainly fill up with smeg.
Not decided whether that's a design flaw or a concious attempt to keep the glass separated from the shell in the event of a drop to hard surface.
Also, the screen is no longer attached directly to the glass - there's a discernable gap, which gives the screen a slightly more reflective / window feeling. Maybe that's another reason for the change from a blue emphasis to yellow in the LCD (which Apple are claiming is deliberate, not a "known issue").
Won't know how awful the battery life is till I've used it over the next few days. Can't make a decent prediction as 3G coverage is patchy all over London, especially in it's Southern hill and dale environs.
dogmatique
merde alors
No idea. Too lazy to reformat from an ipod movie?
Wouldn't have made any difference (ie improved) to their results though I wouldn't have thought.
Wouldn't have made any difference (ie improved) to their results though I wouldn't have thought.
Interesting. Knowing that, I'll not upgrade my 2G straight off, so I can compare the two side by side.
Glass is now independently replaceable from screen. Previously, cracked glass meant whole new (quite pricey) screen/glass assembly, so the various facets you describe are part of deliberate design thing I'd say.
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hiraethified
Really? I would have thought that having to process, stream and display a far bigger movie with all those extra pixels would have definitely impacted on battery life.
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