Apple iPhone and related items (cont.)

[Sunray]

Downloaded and feels good but hard to spot differences at the moment.
How do I set up the folders to store apps?

Get them all wiggling by holding and then drag one onto another. It guesses the name from the type of the app you drag onto the other app, but you can change it.

 

[Kid_Eternity]

So? Doesn't change the fact the phone is faulty by design.

Faulty if you hold it in an artificial manner.

 

[editor]

It's actually quite easy to replicate the problem if you're (a) left handed or (b) on speakerphone or (c) holding in a fairly normal manner and those affected have legitimate cause to complain about what has been proven to be a design defect.

For some it may not be an issue at all, but trying to dismiss or belittle anyone suffering this problem really is rather bizarre behaviour.

 

[ChrisFilter]

So? Doesn't change the fact the phone is faulty by design.

Indeed.

 

[ChrisFilter]

Faulty if you hold it in an artificial manner.

Don't be silly. A faulty product is a faulty product. If this was anything other than Apple you'd see that.

 

[ChrisFilter]

That said, if you want your data to be saved, then you’ll need to go to one of those horrible Apple Stores where meek people in linen trousers all silently grin at each other.

 

[Kid_Eternity]

It's actually quite easy to replicate the problem if you're (a) left handed or (b) on speakerphone or (c) holding in a fairly normal manner and those affected have legitimate cause to complain about what has been proven to be a design defect.

For some it may not be an issue at all, but trying to dismiss or belittle anyone suffering this problem really is rather bizarre behaviour.

LOL! Suffering is starving in some 'developing' nation not not being able to make a call on your 500 pound phone!

It is trivial because it's not the majority experience, millions of units have been sold, how many actual complaints based on real world experience (as opposed to a bunch of geeks trying to replicate it so they can hate Apple more!)??

I doubt the numbers even make a percentage point...

 

[Kanda]

Oh man, you must have something wrong with you! Everyone knows this can be replicated with the easiest weird ass way of holding your iPhone!

I've literally followed all the tutorial videos and can't! Maybe I am non-conductive or something I'm even left handed!!

 

[Kid_Eternity]

Don't be silly. A faulty product is a faulty product. If this was anything other than Apple you'd see that.

Oh man I can't believe you're foolish enough to buy into that narrative...I aint defending Apple I'm questioning the hysterical outcry over this.

In the greater scheme of things, ie the millions who are using their phones with no problem, this matters little. It's called gaining a perspective...

 

[Bungle73]

LOL! Suffering is starving in some 'developing' nation not not being able to make a call on your 500 pound phone!

What? WTF are you on about? His use of the word was perfectly acceptable.

I have an iPhone 4 on the way btw.

 

[Kid_Eternity]

I've literally followed all the tutorial videos and can't! Maybe I am non-conductive or something I'm even left handed!!

There has to be something wrong with you! Maybe your sickening level of fanboism has given you a protective field, a distortion field if you will...

 

[twistedAM]

Downloaded and feels good but hard to spot differences at the moment.
How do I set up the folders to store apps?

From Apple site; worked for me.

To create a folder, you simply touch and hold an app until it wiggles, then drag it on top of another. iOS 4 automatically assigns a name to your folder based on the category of the apps inside it, or you can choose your own name.

 

[Kid_Eternity]

What? WTF are you on about? His use of the word was perfectly acceptable.

I have an iPhone 4 on the way btw.

Suffering is a ridiculous word to use for a phone dropping calls.

Toward the end of my Palm Centro the thing would drop calls, go silent so people couldn't hear or just not make calls something like 60% of the time. I didn't suffer, I found it irritating and went and got a new phone.

Real suffering doesn't come from bad phone reception.

 

[Bungle73]

Suffering is a ridiculous word to use for a phone dropping calls.

Toward the end of my Palm Centro the thing would drop calls, go silent so people couldn't hear or just not make calls something like 60% of the time. I didn't suffer, I found it irritating and went and got a new phone.

Real suffering doesn't come from bad phone reception.

It's you that's being ridiculous.

 

[Sunray]

Faulty would imply that it didn't work as a phone, but even though I can easily reproduce the issue, what I can't do is stop the phone working.

This might be because of where I am.

 

[ChrisFilter]

Suffering is a ridiculous word to use for a phone dropping calls.

Toward the end of my Palm Centro the thing would drop calls, go silent so people couldn't hear or just not make calls something like 60% of the time. I didn't suffer, I found it irritating and went and got a new phone.

Real suffering doesn't come from bad phone reception.

I think suffering is a perfectly fine word to use in this instance. There are, of course, various degrees of suffering and so a direct comparison between starving to death and losing phone calls due to a design fault can't be drawn, but it doesn't mean the same word can't be used.

 

[ChrisFilter]

Oh man I can't believe you're foolish enough to buy into that narrative...

What narrative?

Yep, the flaw has been massively over-hyped, but it doesn't stop it being a design fault.

 

[WWWeed]

I swear the iPhone could be made from the blood of orphan puppies and require a human sacrifice in order to receive a call, and people will still buy it. If it was my money I'd be pretty annoyed, especially when apple haven't actually acknowledged an a hardware problem (they are still blaming software).

It looks like apple are removing threads about the Consumer Reports findings:

The iPhone 4 antenna debacle has upped the paranoia levels in Apple's support forums as moderators reportedly nix any mention of Consumer Reports' volte face on the talking light slab.

Consumer Reports had previously given its blessing to the iPhone 4, but did a U-turn yesterday.

The news started to spread like wildfire through the Apple community, until the vendor's support moderators turned their corporate firehoses on any mention of CR's about face.

A quick search of Apple's support forums does throw up mentions of the report. But it also reveals lots of complaints about disappearing posts.

In response to the question "Are the moderators removing threads about the Consumer Reports findings?", Security guy says:

Yes.

I posted one around 6pm and it went poof! within a few minutes shortly after I got my dinner out of the microwave. But with the volume of the people posting, they just can't get to everyone.

Erik at least got a missive from the support central committee:

yes, they removed a post of mine about this and sent me the following email:

Dear Erik (erikfsn),

We appreciate the assistance you provide users in Apple Discussions. However, your recent post is in violation of the Apple Discussions Terms of Use available here:
http://discussions.apple.com/help.jsp 

Please do not include links in your post or signature that do not directly answer a user's question.

Thank you,

Apple Discussions Staff

But the passive-aggressive fire blanket is not damping down everyone and ApplesFascism currently has a post titled:

Wake Up - Apple is lying to you - Deleting messages to hide this

It's still there at time of writing. But then again, it's not wake-up time in Cupertino yet. ®

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/07/13/iphone_support/

 

[stupid dogbot]

Faulty would imply that it didn't work as a phone, but even though I can easily reproduce the issue, what I can't do is stop the phone working.

This might be because of where I am.

No, me neither.

But let's not stop the hysterical shrieking on the internet! Apple iz raping their customers, man! Fight the powerz!

 

[stupid dogbot]

Let me put it like this.

I bought my iPhone 4 knowing all about this "major design flaw". And it's fine. Maybe I'm just lucky, but I suspect not.

I feel for you if yours isn't, but if you knew, who's fault is it? It's a phone. If it's that bad, take it back, get a different handset, get the fuck over it...

 

[ChrisFilter]

Let me put it like this.

I bought my iPhone 4 knowing all about this "major design flaw". And it's fine. Maybe I'm just lucky, but I suspect not.

I feel for you if yours isn't, but if you knew, who's fault is it? It's a phone. If it's that bad, take it back, get a different handset, get the fuck over it...

You also appear to have missed the point.

A major product has a flaw that to a percentage of people is a problem. Not a massive deal, it happens all the time. The hoo haa is because of Apple's 'so what?' response. Not because of the flaw.

And bollocks to the "it's only a phone, get over it" line. It's an expensive product that sells itself on exceptional user experience.

 

[ovaltina]

If it was my money I'd be pretty annoyed, especially when apple haven't actually acknowledged an a hardware problem (they are still blaming software).

Me too. I spent £200 on one of Sony's notoriously bad early MP3 players (NWA3000) a few years ago and was so annoyed by its crapness, and the company's indifference, that I decided never to buy Sony again. At the time I wasted countless hours on the internet trying to find software that would make the thing work, and came across a lot of other people who were furious at Sony.

Then I bought an Xbox 360, again for about £200, and had similar problems with Microsoft. I won't be buying their shit again either.

All companies make mistakes - look at Toyota - but if they refuse to do anything about it, surely they should expect their customers to go elsewhere.

 

[Kanda]

Apple have said they'll take any phone back up to 30 days after sale.

 

[ChrisFilter]

All companies make mistakes - look at Toyota - but if they refuse to do anything about it, surely they should expect their customers to go elsewhere.

Exactamundo!

The Xbox being a good example... when MS realised it was failing at an unacceptable rate they offered replacements and extended the warranty for that error.

 

[ChrisFilter]

Apple have said they'll take any phone back up to 30 days after sale.

Not really the point. That falls into the "So, just return it if you don't want it" category.

They should be offering free bumpers to affected users, or even boxing them with them.

 

[tarannau]

Only the iphone isn't failing in anything like the 30% of the XBox. Something like 70 testers we have on the iphone4 worldwide, with not one reporting this issue either prior of after this furore. They're hardly melting down internally or displaying a glowing red ring of death

I still can't even replicate the issue in this office! I must have the wrong type of hands

 

[stupid dogbot]

You also appear to have missed the point.

A major product has a flaw that to a percentage of people is a problem. Not a massive deal, it happens all the time. The hoo haa is because of Apple's 'so what?' response. Not because of the flaw.

And bollocks to the "it's only a phone, get over it" line. It's an expensive product that sells itself on exceptional user experience.

Yawn. Dullard.

You aren't even remoted affected, but don't let that stop you having a good old moan, expressing the depth of your outrage!

As you can see, people are deeply interested in being condescended to by the likes of you.

 

[Sunray]

Just lick your fingers and place them over the bottom two cuts in the metal and wait a minute or two. The bars will go down.

 

[stupid dogbot]

I still can't even replicate the issue in this office! I must have the wrong type of hands

How DARE you attempt to demean this incredibly serious issue with humour?

 

[WWWeed]

And the regular punter on the street out number the nerd by about 10000:1. I'm pretty sure Apple won't lose any sleep over losing that bunch of wingers...

Oh man, you must have something wrong with you! Everyone knows this can be replicated with the easiest weird ass way of holding your iPhone!

Given the average apple user has difficulty setting a VCR, how are they going to know about these issues unless they are told this? I mean apple arent going to advertise these issues, and after all who genrally posts on message boards? nerds, thats who! Do you really expect people to put up and shut up?

The signal issue has a number of variables that come into play, for example signal strength and the conductivity (i.e sweatiness) of your hand. I'll admit the issue isn't the end of the world, but if I missed an important call because of it I know I wouldn't be happy. I will explain the issue more when I have some time.

No, me neither.

But let's not stop the hysterical shrieking on the internet! Apple iz raping their customers, man! Fight the powerz!

stop the fanboizm and we'll stop posting the bitchy apple stories.

Let me put it like this.

I bought my iPhone 4 knowing all about this "major design flaw". And it's fine. Maybe I'm just lucky, but I suspect not.

I feel for you if yours isn't, but if you knew, who's fault is it? It's a phone. If it's that bad, take it back, get a different handset, get the fuck over it...

well quite. But don't go around saying its the best phone out there when it has problems (admittedly only in certain situations) making phone calls.

As a mobile software developer the iphone has been really very interesting. It seems people would rather prittyness and ease of use over functionality and reliability, something to bear in mind in future app design....