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themonkeyman said:
yeah, buy a bumper.

How about testing a mass consumer product properly before it is launched to the market.

That's poor from Apple, poor.
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Well Im certainly not trying to defend them on this one, I was just pointing out what users were reporting about the problem.
 
g force said:
Just found one very annoying thing with iOS4 on the 3GS - while verything has worked perfectly and I liek the new fixes in the iPod, the folder etc...all of my old photos in the "library" (ie not those taken with the phone camera) have lost their quality and become slightly pixelated.
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I read somewhere that happened to a couple of 3GS owners. Nothing like that has happened to me, reckon I must be one a few who've had no real problems since upgrading to iOS4...
 
how the fuck can you lot argue about a phone so much?

You either like it or dont, if you dont, buy something else......
 
GarfieldLeChat said:
mines been dropping calls all yesterday I assumed that the network was also somewhat overloaded until i swapped the sim back to my old iphone and it worked perfectly...

not happy will be seeing what O2 intend to do about it as the phone part of the phone doesn't work.

I'm expecting that there'll be enough of a user problem to force a recall or like nintendo and the wii-mote they'll force apple to issue protective covers or face a class action suit in the states.
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You sure it just hasn't activated yet? Presuming by swapping your sim you mean using your old one (since the iphone 4 doesn't take the same kind of sim)... If that's the case that would be the problem, your old sim will stop working when the new phone is activated.

Everything works fine on mine, but took a while for them to connect it to the network.

Haven't used it much yet, but like the improvement in the camera... It's actually somewhat useful for me now. Generally a nice design, not entirely sure it's worth it, but does seem to offer some significant improvements over my 3G that iOS 4 wouldn't have done (never had a 3GS).
 
themonkeyman said:
yeah, buy a bumper.

How about testing a mass consumer product properly before it is launched to the market.

That's poor from Apple, poor.
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They did test them, in the real world, but if we remember the Gizmodo report...

They encased the phones in casing that made it look like a 3Gs phone so that people wouldn't realise that person using over a phone over there is in fact using an unreleased product in a live environment.

The casing hid the flaw from the testers.

They have my sympathies because if they tested the phone in the wild undisguised then details would have been leaked even earlier.
 
Kid_Eternity said:
I read somewhere that happened to a couple of 3GS owners. Nothing like that has happened to me, reckon I must be one a few who've had no real problems since upgrading to iOS4...
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Yeah I mean it's a slight annoyance that requires me synching to another photo album i'll create in iPhoto. The rest of the OS improvements are great :)
 
grit said:
Thats ridiculous, I'd nearly go to say as far as not possible. Its far more likely a manufacturing fault.
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It acted like the bumpers that everyone else is recommending to circumvent the problem.

Manufacturing fault?

Apple designed it so gap would be top right not bottom left and the stupid chinese got it wrong. You could be right.

I'm thinking that its more likely a design fault though. Typical designer thinking about what looks pretty and not thinking how will this work in practice.

We'll have the aerial wrapped around the edge, its not like people hold their phones in such a way that they'll touch it, duh!
 
Gromit said:
Apple designed it so gap would be top right not bottom left and the stupid chinese got it wrong. You could be right.
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Thats not very likely. Chinese manufacturers are going to work to Apples designs, not get things upside-down.

There is either a manufacturing/assembly flaw that only affects some models, or else it is a general Apple design fault rather than a Chinese booboo.

Also:

http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/25/iphone-4-antenna-woes-contextualized-by-dude-in-the-know/

Spencer Webb runs AntennaSys, a company that designs tailormade RF solutions, and has himself worked on making quad-band transceivers for AT&T. As he tells it, almost all phone makers have now transitioned to locating their antennae at the bottom of the phones. This has been in order to move radio wave emissions away from the head (a shortcoming that a top-mounted aerial would incur), which the FCC has been quite demanding about with its SAR standards
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Oops I hadnt got my sarcasm radar turned on, or my hand was interfering with this part of my brain as I held it in my hands.
 
Gromit said:
It acted like the bumpers that everyone else is recommending to circumvent the problem.

Manufacturing fault?

Apple designed it so gap would be top right not bottom left and the stupid chinese got it wrong. You could be right.

I'm thinking that its more likely a design fault though. Typical designer thinking about what looks pretty and not thinking how will this work in practice.

We'll have the aerial wrapped around the edge, its not like people hold their phones in such a way that they'll touch it, duh!
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that would have been caught by QA
 
I'm at the Regent Street store about to buy a bumper to counteract the areial issue, had a whine about it with the assistant and they gave me it for FREE!
 
Ooh, I made it do the signal dropping thing. If you cup it tightly in your left hand and press the fleshy bit of your palm/thumb into the black strip on the side it does indeed drop signal.

It doesn't do it when I'm on a call, because I don't hold the phone in the specific way required to get it to drop signal, so it's not really a problem for me.
 
g force said:
Yeah I mean it's a slight annoyance that requires me synching to another photo album i'll create in iPhoto. The rest of the OS improvements are great :)
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Yep I wise they'd sort it out. I'm hoping for things like Flixster having cinema bookings which then add straight to your calendar too.:cool:
 
fen_boy said:
Ooh, I made it do the signal dropping thing. If you cup it tightly in your left hand and press the fleshy bit of your palm/thumb into the black strip on the side it does indeed drop signal.

It doesn't do it when I'm on a call, because I don't hold the phone in the specific way required to get it to drop signal, so it's not really a problem for me.
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Steve says that you are holding it wrong!
http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/24/apple-responds-over-iphone-4-reception-issues-youre-holding-th/
 
Just done the speedtest.net test on 3g with full signal bars and then reduced signal bars and it made no difference to connection speed, 2Mb up and down.

Also made a couple of calls with reduced signal bars and no change in call quality and no dropout. Obviously this isn't an extensive sample of calls.

I really have to grasp it in my fist like an ape to get it to do it - it's just not how I hold my phone. When I'm using any apps or whatever I hold it in my right hand and prod at it with my left fingers.

Pretty much a non issue for me. It wouldn't put me off buying one, but then I'm bound to say that.
 
elbows said:
I doubt the covers were a response to the issue.
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Bumpers rather than covers. However I tend to agree, even though they are a bit out of the norm I see them as a solution to protect what Apple is claiming the only vulnerable part of the phone now. The glass is supposed to be uber tough but the metal strip is the most likely part to impact the ground if the phone is dropped.
 
Lazy Llama said:
But they do it anyway:
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Yes. It seems that he's happy to "suffer a slower phone" in order to have the new features.

I don't think I'd bother myself (if I still had an iPhone). I know memespring's phone was markedly slower in some respects after the 'upgrade'.
elbows said:
I doubt the covers were a response to the issue.
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You're probably right but it did strike me as a slightly unusual official accessory for the launch.
 
There could be mileage in the suggestion that the bands are an acknowledgement by Apple that there is a problem:
Or, in Apple's official statement - which is only being passed out to news organisations which ask for a statement on the problem, rather than sent out (as happens with iPad or iPhone sales figures): "Gripping any phone will result in some attenuation of its antenna performance with certain places being worse than others depending on the placement of the antennas. This is a fact of life for every wireless phone. If you ever experience this on your Phone 4, avoid gripping it in the lower left corner in a way that covers both sides of the black strip in the metal band, or simply use one of many available cases."

The problem emerged within hours of the first iPhone 4 devices being delivered to customers in the US, with dozens posting videos to YouTube showing mobile reception dropping off dramatically when they picked up the phone. Some users wondered why Apple had not spotted the problem during its testing of the iPhone 4 before its launch, and wondered whether the £25 "bumpers" that Apple sells to go around the casing - and protect the metal antennas - was an implicit acknowledgement of the problem. Apple had no comment on Friday on whether it had discovered the problem during testing, or only after the phone went on sale.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2010/jun/25/iphone-reception-problems-solved
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Perhaps they should give away those bumpers for free - but them I guess it won't look quite so stylish.
 
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