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elbows said:
Well even an age of conspicuous consumption has its limits, and some of the cult-like attributes, queuing etc clearly overstep the mark for some people. Personally Im a bit conflicted with this stuff because on the one hand I appreciate good technology & design rather a lot, and I had practice being a fan of one particular type of computer by growing up as a Speccy fan, on the otherhand Im not exactly a lover of shopping, brands & corporations.
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They dont ask for your soul as payment, its a fucking phone.
 
I was in the ipad queue in Westfield a few weeks ago, and I have to say I rather enjoyed it. It was fun being part of a group of people who wanted to see the new device Apple had come up with. People were chatting away and having a bit of a laugh and there was a real air of excitement. Mad really. But genuinely slightly exciting and having an ipad on its first day was great. I can see why people line up. It's a sort of social event, not just sheep-like consumerism.
 
grit said:
They dont ask for your soul as payment, its a fucking phone.
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I dont sit around full of pointless guilt about being a consumer of Apple products, I do ponder what I think are the multiple real consequences of such things. I complain about some of their platform control-freakery, and I also defend them against what I consider unfair criticism.

All Im talking about is the various mixed and sometimes extreme responses that Apple & its users generate. Apple this century is a phenomenon that elicits no end of opinions, and all Im saying is that I can see where most stances are coming from and some of the factors at work. I find it interesting because differing computing platforms seem to trigger some of the classic tribal thinking and behaviour that we've sen from humans in many other ways throughout history. And we know from the past that such things can be powerful forces with unintended consequences. It would be mostly stupid to compare platform wars with racism, because the stakes are not so high and there arent victims in the way there are victims of racism. But all the same its kind of related by virtue of this whole sense of self, belonging, identity and attachment stuff, and I really dont think computing platforms or other types of goods, tools, clothes etc are immune.
 
hendo said:
I was in the ipad queue in Westfield a few weeks ago, and I have to say I rather enjoyed it. It was fun being part of a group of people who wanted to see the new device Apple had come up with. People were chatting away and having a bit of a laugh and there was a real air of excitement. Mad really. But genuinely slightly exciting and having an ipad on its first day was great. I can see why people line up. It's a sort of social event, not just sheep-like consumerism.
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Being with other people and having the sense of a shared voyage, becoming part of something big an important happening, certainly tends to appeal to some part of the human psyche. I didnt really get this from my experience of queuing for Leopard to come out at the Apple Bullring store. But I did get a twinge of it from participating in a 100+ page forum post elsewhere, tracking ipad deliveries when it first came out in the UK. In some ways it is all shallow and pretend, on another it fulfils some need within a social animal. I do it because I am a geek with far too much time dedicated to typing on the net, and I am socially undernourished. But really a good festival satisfies the need about a million times more effectively for me.
 
editor said:
It's a queue to buy an expensive consmer item in a shopping mall, not a fucking "voyage!"

:facepalm:
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But Im not talking about how people who arent part of the experience are feeling, Im talking about certain feelings that humans can have towards events that they are a part of. My use of grandiose and excessive language is deliberate, it reflects quite how much even relatively mundane events can come to mean to people, at least at the time that they are fully immersed in the environment.

A certain state of mind enables people to go on all sorts of powerful voyages, experiences, adventures, etc, when the cold external reality suggests they arent doing anything even remotely important or impressive at all. Im not attacking or defending the phenomenon, but I am suggesting that it is largely immune to the opinions of those who are not a part of it. One mans stupid pointless waste of time is anothers deep joy, and it really isnt very important whether there is any underlying substance, as the power of religious belief and shared congregation demonstrates.
 
one of the students at work had one and he'd read about the antennae problem previously, and reckoned having a bumper on it would sort it out.
 
hendo said:
I was in the ipad queue in Westfield a few weeks ago, and I have to say I rather enjoyed it. It was fun being part of a group of people who wanted to see the new device Apple had come up with. People were chatting away and having a bit of a laugh and there was a real air of excitement. Mad really. But genuinely slightly exciting and having an ipad on its first day was great. I can see why people line up. It's a sort of social event, not just sheep-like consumerism.
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Queueing. Like - Wow! Gimme that over being at a World Cup Final any day!
 
Callum91 said:
How conveiniant , buy a £600 phone then have to shell out another £25 just to make it work :D , how very Apple :D
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Jaysus! 25 quid for a rubber band!
MC597_AV3
 
If the problem turns out to be widespread then its likely one of the most stupid design errors Apple have made for quite some time. I suppose its possible that certain hands could be the issue rather than certain devices, eg it only affects people who have a certain level of conductive potential within the skin of their hand, and Apple didnt test for this, I dunno.

There are some indications that the 'yellow spots' screen problem goes away given a little time using the screen, though still a tad too early to be sure.
 
Wrong kind of hands, eh? :D I wonder if I have the wrong kind of "conductive potential" You couldn't make it up! - Oh, you just did!

Sounds more like a manufacturing flaw - Fenboy didn't have a problem, not everyone is, and it would have been noticed earlier - Engadget didn't have any issues with their review one, and neither do many other people. But still - sounds like roulette at the moment.
 
Kid_Eternity said:
For someone who once boasted they wrote a whole article on their Treo 650 that's quite an incredible post...
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I don't believe that at any point in that article did I claim it was anything other than a smartphone, and parts were quite critical too.

Oh, and I was paid to write the article and I don't recall "boasting" about it when it was published. FOUR years ago.

So what is your point here?

:confused:
 
It seems that Apple have acknowledged the reception issues - and it's the user's fault for holding it the wrong way!

Apple official statement:
Gripping any mobile phone will result in some attenuation of its antenna performance, with certain places being worse than others depending on the placement of the antennas. This is a fact of life for every wireless phone. If you ever experience this on your iPhone 4, avoid gripping it in the lower left corner in a way that covers both sides of the black strip in the metal band, or simply use one of many available cases.
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http://gizmodo.com/5572279/apples-acknowledges-iphone-4-reception-issues-says-dont-hold-it-like-that

Good piece on Gizmodo about Facetime which more or less chimes with my own opinion
Making a call on FaceTime is very cool, at first. You see who you're talking to! You talk about what you are doing, that being using a videocalling system built right into a phone. How cool! You can do neat things like flick the little thumbnail of yourself from corner to corner and flip between the front and back cameras. It's just neat.

But then, once you have fiddled with it and both acknowledged how neat it is, once you have showed off your surroundings, once you move onto a conversation about something other than FaceTime, things get a little weird.

Because what are you supposed to be looking at? What should you be showing? You're used to talking on a phone and pacing around, skimming an email, doing something else at the same time. But with this, you can't. You just hold your phone out in front of you, awkwardly, and look at the other person looking back at you, also awkwardly. And you wonder, why are we doing this?

So really, FaceTime is great if you actually have something you want to show someone, like a new outfit or your new house or your kid. But if you're just calling to shoot the breeze? It's...awkward.

Which is why it's so annoying that it's a Wi-Fi-only feature—chances are much better that I'll want to show someone something when I'm away from home and my Wi-Fi network. I can't call my girlfriend and get her to approve a shirt I'm trying on at a store. I can't call my buddies and show off a gigantic cheeseburger I'm about to eat at a restaurant. I can't call my parents and show them the landmark I'm standing in front of on vacation.

So it leaves me wondering when I'll ever use it, after today, when it's fun to just call other people who are new iPhone 4 owners to marvel at our collective new trick. Really, if FaceTime is from the future, it's from a pretty insignificant part of it.
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http://gizmodo.com/5572045/test-notes-facetime
 
editor said:
It seems that Apple have acknowledged the reception issues - and it's the user's fault for holding it the wrong way!

Apple official statement:

http://gizmodo.com/5572279/apples-acknowledges-iphone-4-reception-issues-says-dont-hold-it-like-that

Good piece on Gizmodo about Facetime which more or less chimes with my own opinion


http://gizmodo.com/5572045/test-notes-facetime
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Why is this news? We've been able to do this for at least 5 years now and nobody bothers. Apple does it and its like they invented it or something!
 
mines been dropping calls all yesterday I assumed that the network was also somewhat overloaded until i swapped the sim back to my old iphone and it worked perfectly...

not happy will be seeing what O2 intend to do about it as the phone part of the phone doesn't work.

I'm expecting that there'll be enough of a user problem to force a recall or like nintendo and the wii-mote they'll force apple to issue protective covers or face a class action suit in the states.
 
Still not had any problems with mine at all. Calls fine, sound quality fine, signal fine, everything fine. Very happy with it so far.
Worried about dropping it, but refuse to pay £25 for the bumper thing. Currently keeping it in a sock.
 
fen_boy said:
Worried about dropping it, but refuse to pay £25 for the bumper thing. Currently keeping it in a sock.
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Looks like a case might be essential if you're prone to dropping your phone:

Land it flat on the ground, and it will smash. We have evidence. Before i show you the evidence, I am going to point out a design flaw that will bite them in the future. On the new iPhone, the glass basically sits on top of the aluminum frame. On the old iphone, it was recessed and protected by a chrome bezel.
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http://www.ifixyouri.com/blog/?p=59
 
Just found one very annoying thing with iOS4 on the 3GS - while verything has worked perfectly and I liek the new fixes in the iPod, the folder etc...all of my old photos in the "library" (ie not those taken with the phone camera) have lost their quality and become slightly pixelated.
 
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