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Yes. The only way that with hindsight it will not seem out of proportion, is if it really does end up significantly altering the way we interact with certain sorts of computers, and makes a success of the tablet form factor.

Even if it fails massively I consider Sunrays notion that it is nothing more than a blip on the sea of netbooks to be very silly- even if it fails it will be a huge story and could be an important nail in the coffin of the tablet formfactor, or would have implications for Apples methods of control and app store etc.

Another reason not to compare it to a netbook is that there is a proven market for those that is quite large, not so for tablets.

All of the above.
 
As well as the wifi issue it seems that USB charging requirements are also causing some confusion and sadness for some users - it will only charge in standby mode when used with older USB ports.
 
I think you are proving that its understandable that some people are confused or sad about this issue. Although related to voltage in some ways, we need to talk about watts or amps to make proper sense of it.

Older, USB 2.0 ports deliver 0.5 amp, which is only enough to charge the iPad when it’s off. Newer machines that feature USB ports conforming to Battery Charging v1.1 standards, and the iPad’s own power outlet, have enough power that the iPad can draw the full 1.5 amps it needs to recharge the battery while it’s running, according to the USB Implementers Forum.

http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/04/ipad-battery-charging/#ixzz0kMRfQPIP
 
Well, no, it's not. Every PC since god knows when has had numerous +12v from the supply... and for years I've had devices that have said 'fuck you, I need more power'
Yeah, but the USB spec says 5V maximum, which is why many DVD burners come wih two USB plugs in order to get enough power
 
I repeat that this talk of volts is only demonstrating the confusion. Although for the average user its not about the precise nature of the detail, but a failure of the USB scene to remain as simple as the basic 'usb 1' and 'usb 2' labels would imply.

But just to be anal about it, its not about volts, USB standard is still around 5 volts, the only 12 volt USB stuff is 'Powered USB' which is something used by certain business equipment and has additional connections beyond what we are used to with USB.

Over time the amount of power that can be drawn by devices according to the USB spec has been increased, by increasing the current not the volts. And now there are additional 'Battery Charging Specifications' which allow for even more power to be drawn from a single USB connection, up to 9 Watts I believe.
 
Yes. The only way that with hindsight it will not seem out of proportion, is if it really does end up significantly altering the way we interact with certain sorts of computers, and makes a success of the tablet form factor.

Even if it fails massively I consider Sunrays notion that it is nothing more than a blip on the sea of netbooks to be very silly- even if it fails it will be a huge story and could be an important nail in the coffin of the tablet formfactor, or would have implications for Apples methods of control and app store etc.

Another reason not to compare it to a netbook is that there is a proven market for those that is quite large, not so for tablets.

I just think that their implementation of it is quite poor from an ergonomic point of view. I also think its misses the mark in the size and weight stakes.

It has to be much thinner, I'd say 1/2 the size and 1/4 the weight before it becomes a ubiquitous computing device which is what I think that Apple are striving to achieve.

I think they also know this but technology isn't there to properly support it right now, but want to get in there 1st as a land grab, the iPhone nailed it in this respect.

Not sure if getting in there way behind the technology curve does anything for you as such, just tarnishes the brand producing clunky heavy and functionally light products.
 
So does this mean that people buying the iPad single USB dongle won't be able to add USB-powered external HDs and DVDs etc?
 
So does this mean that people buying the iPad single USB dongle won't be able to add USB-powered external HDs and DVDs etc?

A Different issue, one that the USB charging stuff does not shed any light upon as far as I can tell.

Certainly I think it would be a mistake to assume that the USB dongle is going to support a wide range of uses, its being sold as a camera connection kit and I would be somewhat surprised if it fully supported USB hard drives etc, even leaving aside any power issues there are a variety of other reasons that it wont be quite like having a USB port on a computer.
 
So is it just mainly a netbook with limited facilities?
It does some things a netbook does and some things it doesn't. And vice versa. I don't think it can be put in a pithy one-liner. The Ars review comes close with "The ipad is not a big ipod touch, the ipod touch is a small, restricted ipad"
 
When it comes to comparisons with the netbook, Id say it can be used to do many of the things people use netbooks for, but the experience of using it, and its strengths and weaknesses are really not that similar to netbooks.
 
I've bigged up that review on wirefresh and added a few observations of my own:
http://www.wirefresh.com/apple-ipad-gets-comprehensively-reviewed/
mixing Apple’s legendary ease of use with the iPhone’s wondrous ease-of-use
:D What a heady concoction!

On a more serious note, your familiar "Herr Jobs" quote is a bit offensive maybe? Herr just means Mr, and not all male germans are authoritarian nazis (as implied by the usage) - not sure how I'd feel about that if I was German...
 
A review of a review!

Weren't you just moaning about the useless iPad articles just recently?
I guess you're still smarting after your last pathetic attempt to slur me as "anti-Apple" backfired so spectacularly in your face, but pray tell what's so 'useless' about my article, please?

I offer my opinion on the iPad based on what I've seen and read thus far, and then I direct users to what is quite possibly the best review available.
 
Apple admits its Ipad can't do wireless very well

Apple has admitted that its over-hyped Ipad has difficulty connecting to the Internet, which is one of the main reasons for its existence.

Since the device came out last Saturday Apple message boards have been full of people complaining that they have difficulty getting a WiFi signal if they take the tablet a short distance from the router.


Now Apple has provided a list of guidelines for those who bought the Ipad which includes such helpful advice as "stand closer to your router".

LOL! Kinda undermines the whole idea of this being a wireless device if you have to stand in a certain spot to connect. I read somewhere the wifi ariel is actually under the black apple logo which is why they think it's not working as well as it should. I expect the 3g version, with is black plastic ariel bit at the top, will fix this issue...
 
:D What a heady concoction!
Oops! That's not what I meant to write. It's rubbish publishing without a sub editor. You can read your article five times over and still not see really obvious typos and mistakes.

Edit: no, I don't think the 'Herr Jobs' comment is offensive. It's a clearly jokey reference that has been coined for years and I don't think I've ever seen any one complain.

No doubt grit will be here soon though, claiming to be outraged on behalf of all Germans.
 
I guess you're still smarting after your last pathetic attempt to slur me as "anti-Apple" backfired so spectacularly in your face, but pray tell what's so 'useless' about my article, please?

"Attempt to slur" lol get over yourself. Maybe anti apple is too restrictive a description for how you express your views. I was just referring to the boredom myself (and I presume other posters) experience with your constant linking to articles that highlight apples less than desirable practices. We know, that you know now please quit it.

Personally I dont give a fuck about apple anymore. I did when I was a iPhone 3g user for 2 years but once the iPhone became dated and better alternatives appeared I jumped ship.

I just didnt think that a cut and paste of an Ars review is worthy of an article itself. Seemed strange after your comments regarding the guardian. But hey all those wirefresh links in the forum must do something for your SEO right? ;)

Also why would I express rage on behalf of all Germans? When have I ever done something similar?
 
LOL! Kinda undermines the whole idea of this being a wireless device if you have to stand in a certain spot to connect. I read somewhere the wifi ariel is actually under the black apple logo which is why they think it's not working as well as it should. I expect the 3g version, with is black plastic ariel bit at the top, will fix this issue...

yeah it's something all new gadgets have when first released, a few bugs/glitches etc...
 
You're velcome.Hey how about you keep your ad hominems and dishonest "criticisms" to yourself and do something really wild like discuss the iPad instead?

What do you reckon? Could be a winning idea, you know.

Where was I dishonest?
 
Arstechnica have their Review and as always it's a detailed, sober examination with good analysis.

Thanks for the heads up, i've been waiting for Ars to get their review out - ncie and in depth, one thing I'm hoping gets sorted soon is decent PDF support in iBooks.

And it's nice to finally read something well researched/written by people who have actually used the device...
 
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