Crispy
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Looks great, but it sings all and dances all before it's even born. This is MS's curse of development - trying to do everything in one go means you do nothing well enough.
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Just wait until they nick the Palm webOS's superb multi tasking for the iPhone and big it up as the latest, greatest, must-have innovation! Mind you, they'll have a job outpolishing the Palm in this regard as it's beautifully implemented.
Crispy
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I think they'll have difficulty implementing that, actually. The hardware and software are both designed for one app at a time. Multi-tasking existing iphone apps will take more CPU and memory than the current models have. Sure, a new model with extra RAM and power could do it, but then they would fragment the app market - "only for multi-tasking iphone" apps and so on. It could happen, but I doubt it.
Kid_Eternity
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I can see them allowing a restricted number of non Apple apps allowed to run in the background rather than MT like the Pre...
UnderOpenSky
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How so? If you brought out a new model with the grunt to run more apps, then you add a method of switching in the OS...older models can run the same apps, just only one at a time.
Crispy
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But those old apps are not multi-tasking aware. I'm no expert in these things, but there must be some complications there? I suppose something could be bodged together. How do the jailbroken iphones handle it? (I think they have MT)
Biglittlefish
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Hang on are we saying that apple will be putting out quad core mac pros with the islate? In the next month or so? Cas I could go for one of them.
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If Apple don't introduce proper multi tasking soon, the iPhone is going to look horribly dated as apps on other platforms make use of the considerable usability advantages offered.
It's already possible on jailbroken iPhones with the ProSwitcher app - here's a Pre-themed version in action -
Zabo
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Apple need to be careful in the tablet market. They had the iphone all to themselves until recently. There are lots of tablets on the way and I can see Apple getting a well deserved fuck over for selling over priced stuff. My money is waiting for the Microsoft Courier. That will steal the show. Only thing is, I don't know why MS have released the new tablet with HP. Seems very odd?
And don't forget Dell have the Nexus almost ready to go. With a 5" screen it is pocketable. A nice piece of kit and probably meets Dell's high standards.
Uptodate pictures from the CES
http://www.unwiredview.com/2010/01/07/dell-shows-off-android-tablet-with-5-inch-display-maybe-for-att/
And don't forget Dell have the Nexus almost ready to go. With a 5" screen it is pocketable. A nice piece of kit and probably meets Dell's high standards.
Uptodate pictures from the CES
http://www.unwiredview.com/2010/01/07/dell-shows-off-android-tablet-with-5-inch-display-maybe-for-att/
elbows
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I got excited about an Apple Tablet way too long ago, before the rumours really got started, so I had to try to forget about it for ages to avoid going insane with impatience.
I have high hopes. Im a big fan of the iphone UI and expect Apple's usual sleekness of design will go well with the tablet format. If they cant make the tablet format work, then I dont know who else can - this does remain a possibility I suppose due to the devices size, it wont go in a pocket, and cost could be an issue.
Ive wanted a decent tablet all century. I tried a tablet pc and a umpc, and it was a bad bad experience. The tech was not quite ripe enough and the clunkiness spoiled the experience, although I liked the form factor. Reasonable screen, battery life, nice multitouch, nice hd video, pretty good 3d should all now be possible.
Its hard for me to overstate how important this stuff will be for me because since I came to hate my day job many years ago, Ive wanted to develop things for tablets instead, but the right device has not come along.
I have high hopes. Im a big fan of the iphone UI and expect Apple's usual sleekness of design will go well with the tablet format. If they cant make the tablet format work, then I dont know who else can - this does remain a possibility I suppose due to the devices size, it wont go in a pocket, and cost could be an issue.
Ive wanted a decent tablet all century. I tried a tablet pc and a umpc, and it was a bad bad experience. The tech was not quite ripe enough and the clunkiness spoiled the experience, although I liked the form factor. Reasonable screen, battery life, nice multitouch, nice hd video, pretty good 3d should all now be possible.
Its hard for me to overstate how important this stuff will be for me because since I came to hate my day job many years ago, Ive wanted to develop things for tablets instead, but the right device has not come along.
Bob_the_lost
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You're dreaming. The iphone never had any technological edge over any of it's competition. It's sole and killer advantage was UI.Apple need to be careful in the tablet market. They had the iphone all to themselves until recently. There are lots of tablets on the way and I can see Apple getting a well deserved fuck over for selling over priced stuff. My money is waiting for the Microsoft Courier. That will steal the show. Only thing is, I don't know why MS have released the new tablet with HP. Seems very odd?
These tablet are just more refreshes of a product line / idea that's never worked, in no small part because the UI sucked. If these tablets are just based on Win7 then they're going to be little more successful than previous attempts.
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I get your points about Apple but I dont share the faith that Microsoft will deliver the killer device - they failed badly in the past, put a lot of effort into trying to popularise these form factors but they messed up their software design in a big way, it was crap, just some fairly weak addons to the desktop OS experience. Im sure they have learnt from that, and maybe they can become one of the few companies that actually works out what Apple does well with its products and copy it well, there are sometimes some signs of that but then they revert to form. The Courier looks like it could be an attempt to be seen as different to Apple, not merely immitating them badly but Im certainly not surprised that the recent stuff showcased HP etc devices rather than their own thing. That courier may never end up as a real product, or it could have been a controlled leak to judge interest in certain aspects of its design for market research purposes. Still even the HP device lacks detail at this stage so I guess its all just marketing games, trying to steal some of Apples thunder as the hype whirls around about the apple tablet.
elbows
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The multitouch screen was a technological edge, and later the app store was seen as a bit of a revolution. You are right that it was the UI that really did it, and to make the UI sweet they relied on hardware-accelerated 3d and a multitouch screen that responds well and feels good. They didnt invent these technologies, but it still boggles my mind that so few others have been able to use this tech so effectively.
Sunray
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I'm not really bothered by the iSlate.
I really can't see what they can offer me that I'd want to pay a stack of cash for when I already have my iPhone, even if its a little battered perhaps a little small in comparison.
Its going to have to be something truly world beating to even get my attention.
I really can't see what they can offer me that I'd want to pay a stack of cash for when I already have my iPhone, even if its a little battered perhaps a little small in comparison.
Its going to have to be something truly world beating to even get my attention.
UnderOpenSky
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If Apple can revolutionise the market and make them small and light enough I'd be interested and go back to using a phone that just make calls and sends txts.
The screen on my Touch HD is almost as big as they come and I often find myself wanting a bigger one. A separate device may be the way forward.
The screen on my Touch HD is almost as big as they come and I often find myself wanting a bigger one. A separate device may be the way forward.
Sunray
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It's got to have 3g and wifi to make any impression on anyone. Lack of constant connectivity is just criminal these days.
I know I don't want a large format phone but some people might want the features a larger size device can offer.
Like I say I'm waiting to see what apple can do in this space but I really can't see what they can possibly offer over my phone that would get my wallet out?
I know I don't want a large format phone but some people might want the features a larger size device can offer.
Like I say I'm waiting to see what apple can do in this space but I really can't see what they can possibly offer over my phone that would get my wallet out?
Crispy
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It's always been a tricky thing to get right. The idea of a tablet computer is one of those ones that feels right, but has big problems fitting into the existing computer market. If you need a bag to carry it, then you may as well take a laptop. If it has no keyboard, then it may as well be a phone.
It'll have to do something truly exceptional to succeed, or do things that a laptop already does, but better. Not an easy task.
It'll have to do something truly exceptional to succeed, or do things that a laptop already does, but better. Not an easy task.
Sunray
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A quick look at iTunes tells you what it'll do as a base standard, Apple aren't going to produce a device that can't do all the things that iTunes does, they make hard cash out of it.
I'm assuming that they are going to add in books (if and) when this gets released. I'm still totally meh about it.
I'm assuming that they are going to add in books (if and) when this gets released. I'm still totally meh about it.
UnderOpenSky
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What if they got hand writing rec properly sorted? I can type faster then I can write if I have a proper keyboard, but can write a lot faster then I can type on phone and on-screen keyboards and it suits the tablet form factor.
Sunray
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I've just download Engadgets full HD video demo of the Mirasol display.
If the Apple tablet has one of those displays then, i'm starting to twitch, its lower power than e-ink but full motion video and higher resolution than e-ink, nearly rivalling a magazine.
45mb vid is here http://podcasts.aolcdn.com/engadget/videos/ces10/Mirasol_1080pFULL.mov
Right click and save as..
If the Apple tablet has one of those displays then, i'm starting to twitch, its lower power than e-ink but full motion video and higher resolution than e-ink, nearly rivalling a magazine.
45mb vid is here http://podcasts.aolcdn.com/engadget/videos/ces10/Mirasol_1080pFULL.mov
Right click and save as..
mitochondria
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out of curiosity - anyone tried archos 9?
I think display sector is growing quicker than computer industry aggregate and new inventions in display/touchscreen tech will shape next year or two of computing. I would really like to see dual display LED/e-ink + new standard of touchscreen. I played a bit with Sony reader and I really liked e-ink.
Whoever gets this sort of thing right and on a massive scale, wins.
I think display sector is growing quicker than computer industry aggregate and new inventions in display/touchscreen tech will shape next year or two of computing. I would really like to see dual display LED/e-ink + new standard of touchscreen. I played a bit with Sony reader and I really liked e-ink.
Whoever gets this sort of thing right and on a massive scale, wins.
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Oh, wow. That's very impressive.
elbows
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Yeah probably not, especially as the app store success gives them reason to want another platform where they control app distribution.
Still if the price of the tablet is high enough, and considering that netbooks taking off are a reason apple looked at devices with screens of this size, there is some pressure from users not to make the device too dumbed-down. I am very keen to see whether it ends up resembling a souped-up iphone OS or a cutdown OS-X. And I wonder what UI stuff they have up their sleeve, there are some rumours about a 3D aspect to the UI but we shall see.
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