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My problem with that is you either have them sitting around for ages after or just end up wastefully binning them. I like the idea of having subscriptions electronically delivered and stored electronically.
I like that as well - that's why I got so excited by the Kindle's daily newspaper delivery - and there's no reason why we can't mix and match them.

But given the choice between sitting in a café flicking through a magazine or sitting with an expensive, one-screen-at-a-time device with a limited battery life, I'd take the magazine every time.
 
My problem with that is you either have them sitting around for ages after or just end up wastefully binning them. I like the idea of having subscriptions electronically delivered and stored electronically.

Exactly. Also much easier to search for past articles.
 
I hate apple hype, but reckon this is a very interesting moment that we'll look back on in years to come.

I was watching a few films last night on my laptop - I don't have a TV. And I thought, imagine if I could uncouple the screen from this Macbook and watch films on just the screen, in my lap. It'd be ace.

At first I thought - ah look, the iPad's just a big iPhone. It's shit.

Then after a bit I thought, "It's gonna be good that. It's a big iPhone".

In a few years, i reckon we'll laugh at the concept of not having a tactile interface with our data.

The iPad - it's a PUI (physical), not a GUI and it might just be the new mouse.
 
Interesting piece:

Hey, remember back when Steve Jobs said "people don't read anymore" when discussing why the Kindle would be a failure? Heh, funny story: turns out Apple just released a device called the iPad and, at its unveiling, spent an awful lot of time showing off what a great reader it is. However, when comparing it to Kindle (as we did here) you have to think about that battery life figure: 10 hours vs. seven days.

When Walt Mossberg caught Jobs after the unveiling for a little gonzo-style interview he asked about this, and Jobs said "you're not going to read for 10 hours...you just end up pluggin' it in." So, Steve now concedes that people do read, but apparently they don't do it for long without coming close to a power receptacle. When asked about price differentials between books on the devices, rumored to be as much as $5 more than on Kindle, Jobs somewhat reluctantly states that "publishers are actually withholding books from Amazon because they're not happy," and that "the prices will be the same" -- but doesn't indicate whether Amazon's prices will be going up or that rumored $14.99 price point is going down. It's all in the video after the break, including plenty of face time with Walt.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/29/steve-jobs-compares-ipad-battery-life-to-kindles-youre-not-g/
 
I note however, you still can't bring yourself to comment on the obvious logic that those involved in design and marketing tend to value good design and brand association, both qualities that Apple do well in. See Teuchter's comment about office chairs earlier.

It's this evasion and obvious misrepresentation which gets my goat.

Just my two cent derail:

The main reason the Mac rules in design/production scenarios in most cases is not entirely down to aesthetics. A lot of the big softwares like Quark and Photoshop (and a few others were around then), freehand and illustrator came out in 1988 -1990. They didn't hit the PC platform until around 1992 and no-one used them on PCs then, they were just shit. Pagemaker came out in 1985. System 6-7 was bad by todays standards but nowhere near as bad as window 3.0. Macs were just better for graphics, they had ATM (smooth type) in 1990 and Quickdraw, which was just the nuts at the time. 24-bit was almost the norm, while PCs were struggling along with 256 colour dithered screens mostly.
The PC didn't even get inroads until Win2000 was released. The PC was just a poor choice to do professional graphical work on in the early-mid 90s. Things are pretty equal now but certainly not the case then. Nothing compared to my work Quadra 840av back in '93 :) There wasn't a decent version of illustrator for the PC until 1997 (though Corel draw wasn't too bad then) and Freehand was never made for PCs. Freehand was very popular with designers (not so much with us production guys). Pagemaker was the ipso facto standard on PCs generally and that wasn't a patch on Quark Xpress.

I started on a Dicomed Imaginator in 1987 with 128k memory, a vector engine and 128k file size on 5" disks, these cost over 100k each!
Within a year the whole company had switched to Macs running illustrator 88. My first Mac was a IIcx with a 24-bit Radius card in 1989, moving on the IIfx later, these pissed on anything in the PC world - unless you decided to buy Sun system PC-based proprietary systems costing upward of 30-50 grand.

I'm not a designer, I work in Production (Heavyweight Artworker and Production Manager) in the music, branding, advertising and packaging industries and in 20 years and working in over 150 different companies you just don't see PCs in that environment (or the designers environment if there's a production dept.) except as EFI rips and Server farms. They just haven't been powerful enough for production work.
These days it's all 4, 8-core macs with 32-64GB of RAM and iMacs for the designers.
I only know one production dept that uses PCs and that's Phillips in Amsterdam and with their aesthetic it seems fitting somehow.:p

So that's the real reason I think, people are used to them, have used them for 25 years and are not going to change now. Newer firms with younger people probably aren't so bothered, but most graphic production people I know you would have to prise their mac from their cold dead hands.

Considering the amount of profit bosses generally make from the work done on these machines, being tight about the tools people want to use when the price differential is so slight, is just typical really.
 
Just my two cent derail:

The main reason the Mac rules in design/production scenarios in most cases is not entirely down to aesthetics. A lot of the big softwares like Quark and Photoshop (and a few others were around then), freehand and illustrator came out in 1988 -1990. They didn't hit the PC platform until around 1992 and no-one used them on PCs then, they were just shit. Pagemaker came out in 1985. System 6-7 was bad by todays standards but nowhere near as bad as window 3.0. Macs were just better for graphics, they had ATM (smooth type) in 1990 and Quickdraw, which was just the nuts at the time. 24-bit was almost the norm, while PCs were struggling along with 256 colour dithered screens mostly.
The PC didn't even get inroads until Win2000 was released. The PC was just a poor choice to do professional graphical work on in the early-mid 90s. Things are pretty equal now but certainly not the case then.

Top history, chimes with loads of my on experiences, too.
 
Hate to point this out Structural, but that did get mentioned earlier in the thread.

Anyway, let's avoid more derails. I will just say that it's hard not to react when someone wades in repeatedly dismissing other opinions as 'shit' or 'bullshit' and then misrepresenting what they say, replacing it with altogether dafter and more manipulative logic.
 
I was watching a few films last night on my laptop - I don't have a TV. And I thought, imagine if I could uncouple the screen from this Macbook and watch films on just the screen, in my lap. It'd be ace.

So you would want to sit like this for two hours?

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Yeah.. no thanks.
 
15 to 20 somethings? Yeah, that's just the market Apple choose to push their premium electronics at. There's no potential upside of tablets at all

Honestly.
:facepalm:
 
I find myself in that position all the tie with my ipod touch, and I find the small screen annoying sometimes
 
Hate to point this out Structural, but that did get mentioned earlier in the thread.

Anyway, let's avoid more derails. I will just say that it's hard not to react when someone wades in repeatedly dismissing other opinions as 'shit' or 'bullshit' and then misrepresenting what they say, replacing it with altogether dafter and more manipulative logic.
Give it a rest. Please.

So you would want to sit like this for two hours?

Yeah.. no thanks.
It's not that comfy to hold, is it?

No doubt there'll be a load of third party stands'n'stuff coming out, but it's going to be pretty heavy to hold for long periods and become as awkward to read as a heavy book, so I wouldn't fancy trying to read one on a packed tube
 
I made an omelette today and ate it trying to read a new hardback, man I could have done with an iPad for those 5 minutes :) In the end I had to cut up my omelette and eat it with one hand while holding open the book. Terrible.
 
Happy to. Maybe you can ponder the approach of your posts in future and consider why folks tend to react the way they do. It may even help many a thread going this way, or lessen the anti-apple bias allegations.

I'm a bit indifferent about the weight aspect fwiw - I'm obviously reading too many big tomes as a rule - but like you it's hard to see anything replacing the legibility and simplicity of print on paper. There again folks have been quick to accept lower quality standards for everything digital, as long as the conveninence and cost are there.
 
but like you it's hard to see anything replacing the legibility and simplicity of print on paper. There again folks have been quick to accept lower quality standards for everything digital, as long as the conveninence and cost are there.

I've sat in front of a computer for about 12 hours a day for the last 10 years, I have no problem getting used to reading off a screen.
 
@Kanda

so a screen tilted with a keyboard in front of it - now where have I seen that before.

Probably on a laptop... but you don't carry the iPad keyboard with you do you? Not sure I get what point you're trying to make...
 
I bet one of the first 3rd party peripherals will be a jacket with built-in bluetooth keyboard :D
 
I'm much the same fwiw, but it's nice to take your eyes off the screen and concentrate on paper once in a while.,

Equally that's why I don't really believe people don't care about the advantage the Kindle's screen could potentially have for reading. They see a big colour ipad/iphone and it just seems more inviting than a more mono kindle or ereader.
 
I'm much the same fwiw, but it's nice to take your eyes off the screen and concentrate on paper once in a while.,

Equally that's why I don't really believe people don't care about the advantage the Kindle's screen could potentially have for reading. They see a big colour ipad/iphone and it just seems more inviting than a more mono kindle or ereader.

It's not about 'inviting' though, it's about not having bleedy eyes after getting stuck into a good book.
 
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