Apple iPad and related items

[Kanda]

The whole debate has turned into a flame war

Aye

Can you all piss off with the derail?

Cheers

 

[TrippyLondoner]

The whole debate has turned into a flame war

Good old urban.

 

[Lemon Eddy]

Any chance that this hijack could be moved to its own thread, as it's sod all to do with the iPad.

 

[editor]

As an aside, I was at a mobile network shindig last night and was talking to a mad-for-it Nokia PR bloke.

I felt sorry for him. Remember Nokia's tablets?

Exactly.

*Oh, I'm done arguing with tarannau.

 

[sunnysidedown]

You may want to hold off on accusing other people of talking crap when you're going to make claims like the following

1 "No Flash - thank christ, the sooner there is a move to the HTML5 standard the better"

I think you'd struggle to find anyone here opposed to the takeup of HTML5. What is undeniable though is that there is a huge range of web content that currently requires flash. I'd hope you accept it is entirely reasonable to criticise a device intended to be used for web browsing on the grounds that it cannot handle currennt content.

Like it or not Flash runs like dog shit on OS X, the majority of Flash on the web is used for film/movie clips, a move to h.264 would suit me a whole lot better, I fail to see an issue with that? maybe you should get talking to Adobe on that one.

2 "No camera - This is a Rev 1 device, people need to look at previous rev 1 devices by Apple and see how limited they were on release to what they became a few revisions later"

You mean we should judge the device by what it may be in future releases, rather than what it is now? I don't think that's even vaguely logical. Any current device can be excused by saying "well a future one will be much better"

I mentioned that a camera is not top of my list, and that this is no doubt something that will be introduced at a latter date, people dismissing the product on a lack of a camera, imho, are a little short-sighted (!)

3. "No Multi-task - no doubt a software update will address this, Apple doesn't want sluggish performance on it's new device on launch - again, not a huge issue for me as I know it won't be forever."

I'm glad you know this to be the case. The moment it comes around, then this issue can rightly be put aside. Until then, it is a serious limitation on the usefullness of the device.

Serious? I don't think so, you can still play music and surf the web for instance, it's certainly not a serious issue.

4. "Bezel around device - how the fuck else are you going to hold the damn thing? and not get in way of both the screen and touch sensors?"

Considering the iphone does not have a bezel on left or right side, yet people still manage to use that, it would appear that your point is wrong.

I disagree, my point is correct.

When the iPhone first came out I looked at it and decided that as gorgeous as it was, glaring omissions such as 3G and SMS meant it was no use for me. When they released the 3, corrected these and other points, and reduced the price as well, then I happily bought one. In the future, I hope the iPad will be similarly improved. Until then though, all I can do is judge it on the current state, which is sadly limited.

one man's limitation is another mans look what I can do with this

As i've mentioned. compared to previous rev 1 products from Apple, this one is surprisingly feature packed (and I'm not comparing it to any other device by any other manufacturer).

The talking crap comment was aimed at a couple of posters who seem obsessed with dismissing this product before it's even been reviewed/released, and who would appear to be technical types. It appears to boil down to Flash/Camera/Multi-Task. If these are so important to you right now then obviously this is not for you at the moment (and if Flash is important to you then you may as well give up now).

 

[stowpirate]

What is the upgrade path on the iPad? Can you replace the default OS with Windows, Linux or something more exotic or is the device locked. If so it is an expensive gadget to be sitting gathering dust when it becomes obsolete in a years time? I can stomach an inexpensive gadget like a bog standard mobile being landfill fodder within a couple of years but not something as expensive as this.

 

[Lemon Eddy]

Like it or not Flash runs like dog shit on OS X, the majority of Flash on the web is used for film/movie clips, a move to h.264 would suit me a whole lot better, I fail to see an issue with that? maybe you should get talking to Adobe on that one.

Completely missing the point. Whether you like it or not, a huge amount of web content uses flash. As such any device that does not support it at all is clearly limited.

I mentioned that a camera is not top of my list, and that this is no doubt something that will be introduced at a latter date, people dismissing the product on a lack of a camera, imho, are a little short-sighted (!)

And again, completely missing the point. For people who need a camera then marking it down because it does not have a camera is not shortsighted. It's hardly as if this is a feature that will magically appear in OS4, it is something the device does not do. If a future device rolls out with a camera, wonderful - it can be judged on its own merits. You are trying to claim that we should judge the iPad on the upgrades it may get in the future, which is self-evidently ridiculous.

Serious? I don't think so, you can still play music and surf the web for instance, it's certainly not a serious issue.

The fuck it isn't. I want to read a book and listen to spotify. Nope, can't do that. I want to jump between an email and a pdf file. Nope, can't do that. It is a ridiculous thing to say that the omission of a standard feature of devices for many years is not a serious issue

And no, just saying "I disagree, my point is correct." does not somehow change the fact that my perfectly useable iPhone doesn't have a bezel, so the iPad should be just as useable without one.

 

[sunnysidedown]

What is the upgrade path on the iPad? Can you replace the default OS with Windows, Linux or something more exotic or is the device locked. If so it is an expensive gadget to be sitting gathering dust when it becomes obsolete in a years time? I can stomach an inexpensive gadget like a bog standard mobile being landfill fodder within a couple of years but not something as expensive as this.

I think Apple are going to make this device for over 14 year olds, it looks like you're out of luck kiddo.

 

[Kanda]

And no, just saying "I disagree, my point is correct." does not somehow change the fact that my perfectly useable iPhone doesn't have a bezel, so the iPad should be just as useable without one.

The iPad is quite a bit wider, iPhone actually FITS in your hand....

 

[Pie 1]

It seems fundamentally weird to attempt to deny that folks involved with design and advertising understandably value good design and appreciate brand values and loyalties.

that doesn't stop the design teams choosing macs just because they look nice. My boss does this with furniture.

Exactly & Exactly.

 

[editor]

Exactly & Exactly.

We're trying to get this thread back on topic.

 

[Pie 1]

I've never, ever, ever, known anyone not get work because of their choice of operating system. I've worked with major design agencies and no one's given a fuck. I've headed up a large US start up and no one gave a fuck there either, and I'm pretty sure they cared about good design and brand association too, so what is your point?

Oh please, put a sock in it.

(BTW, are you aware that your online portfolio appears to be very pixelated & made up of work mainly from the last century? Maybe a little update is wouldn't be a bad idea)

 

[Pie 1]

We're trying to get this thread back on topic.

What, you mean after you de-railed it?

 

[sunnysidedown]

Completely missing the point. Whether you like it or not, a huge amount of web content uses flash. As such any device that does not support it at all is clearly limited.

Apart from film/movie clips, what am I missing out on, exactly?

And again, completely missing the point. For people who need a camera then marking it down because it does not have a camera is not shortsighted. It's hardly as if this is a feature that will magically appear in OS4, it is something the device does not do. If a future device rolls out with a camera, wonderful - it can be judged on its own merits. You are trying to claim that we should judge the iPad on the upgrades it may get in the future, which is self-evidently ridiculous.

It is currently a device sans camera, if you need a camera your going to have to wait, otherwise - buy something else.

The fuck it isn't. I want to read a book and listen to spotify. Nope, can't do that. I want to jump between an email and a pdf file. Nope, can't do that. It is a ridiculous thing to say that the omission of a standard feature of devices for many years is not a serious issue

Use a computer then, buy a laptop or whatever... Have you read any hands on experiences with the iPad yet? most refer to the speed of the device, obviously Apple want to show off their first foray into chip development and this will be helped by initially only running single apps - the OS is already MT.

And no, just saying "I disagree, my point is correct." does not somehow change the fact that my perfectly useable iPhone doesn't have a bezel, so the iPad should be just as useable without one.

Rubbish, your fingers would not only obscure the screen but you would be also interfering with the multi-touch gestures... again, have you actually read any hands on reviews?

 

[gabi]

Wow. what a classic willy-waving car crash of a thread this has turned into. well done

 

[editor]

(BTW, are you aware that your online portfolio appears to be very pixelated & made up of work mainly from the last century? Maybe a little update is wouldn't be a bad idea)

To be honest, I might take it down soon because I can't be arsed to update it - and I get my work from word of mouth these days.

It was also problematic having it updated as it was occasionally providing ammo for sick fuckwits from here and elsewhere to have a pop at me.

One bunch of charmers went out of their way to write to all my clients to try and get me thrown off contracts because someone else posted something here that they disagreed with. Something that I'd never even seen!

Oh, and in case you're wondering why the portfolio sits on the same domain as the boards, it was all was down to an accident when the boards were being installed. They were supposed to go on urban75.org. Doh!

*apologies to all for the derail, but I was asked.

 

[girasol]

Full marks to Apple and iPad for providing so much material for comedy. On that front they have been successful.

I haven't read the thread (short of time), and although the whole thing seems pointless, it will lead to something useful one day...

The feature that's really grabbing my attention is the reader, I think they're onto something (yes, I know it's been done before but eventually the perfect gadget for doing this will be created).

Imagine you don't have much space for books... having a reader like that to read anything you ever wanted, anywhere, would be great. Much better if it could be folded though. and be truly affordable.

 

[editor]

Imagine you don't have much space for books... having a reader like that to read anything you ever wanted, anywhere, would be great. Much better if it could be folded though. and be truly affordable.

I think you'd be better off with a Kindle screen than the iPad's though as it's much more like paper, and much kinder on the eyes.

The battery life is much, much better too.

 

[Kanda]

I think you'd be better off with a Kindle screen than the iPad's though as it's much more like paper, and much kinder on the eyes.

The battery life is much, much better too.

Hmm.. not when glossy, interactive magazine content comes along.

 

[gabi]

I think you'd be better off with a Kindle screen than the iPad's though as it's much more like paper, and much kinder on the eyes.

The battery life is much, much better too.

At the risk of sounding like a luddite, i really dont see the need for an e-reader when reading an actual physical book is a far more enjoyable experience. i dont see it catching on tbh.

 

[Kanda]

At the risk of sounding like a luddite, i really dont see the need for an e-reader when reading an actual physical book is a far more enjoyable experience. i dont see it catching on tbh.

DVD's would never catch on when we already had VHS...

 

[Pie 1]

One bunch of charmers went out of their way to write to all my clients to try and get me thrown off contracts

Fucking hell.
I mean, I've been here long enough to know some of the old suspects were a tad on the obsessive side of things, but that's just straight up fucking malicious.
No matter what you think of someone, there's no excuse in the real world for that sort of shit.

(TBH it's exactly why I'm so careful/paranoid about my web presence & bulletin boards.)

 

[pinkmonkey]

At the risk of sounding like a luddite, i really dont see the need for an e-reader when reading an actual physical book is a far more enjoyable experience. i dont see it catching on tbh.

I already get several esubscriptions, there's lots in the fashion trade. I love 'em. As I need to work with them on the 'pooter, it saves me a hell of a lot of scanning in of paper.

This one comes as a dvd or printed. http://www.wear-magazine.com/

even the beardy steampunked narrowboaters world can get its paper online.
http://www.mpldigital.com/mortons-media/towpath-talk


So it would catch on with me, infact it already has.

 

[pinkmonkey]

Fucking hell.
I mean, I've been here long enough to know some of the old suspects were a tad on the obsessive side of things, but that's just straight up fucking malicious.
No matter what you think of someone, there's no excuse in the real world for that sort of shit.

(TBH it's exactly why I'm so careful/paranoid about my web presence & bulletin boards.)

offtopic/ I'm removing my cv from my website today coz it keeps popping up on Craigslist all over the world, pretending to be someone elses.

 

[editor]

Hmm.. not when glossy, interactive magazine content comes along.

You're just described a website, no?

I'm talking about books, full of words, and it's definitely easier to read them on e-Ink than a backlit LCD screen.

 

[Kanda]

You're just described a website, no?

I'm talking about books, full of words, and it's definitely easier to read them on e-Ink than a backlit screen.

No, big publishing houses like Future Publishing don't put a lot of content on their websites... they'd lose too much revenue.

So if they made E-Versions of their magazines and cover CD's/DVD's and put them out over iTunes.. they keep the revenue stream.

I'm talking about what sort of content I think/hope will be available on the iPad.

 

[pinkmonkey]

What is the upgrade path on the iPad? Can you replace the default OS with Windows, Linux or something more exotic or is the device locked. If so it is an expensive gadget to be sitting gathering dust when it becomes obsolete in a years time? I can stomach an inexpensive gadget like a bog standard mobile being landfill fodder within a couple of years but not something as expensive as this.

If I could have my own way, I'd have it so you could muck about with the OS too, and I'd want Illustrator, photoshop and a stylus. (Because finger painting is hard to take srsly in a meeting). I'd get rid of itunes. SD card reader, usb connectivity, a proper sim card in a normal size. I can appreciate it's more of a fun toy to use at home, but I was hoping we'd get something that was more like my wants list. Please someone make one. Last time I went to the airport and was searched, they pissed themselves at the amount of tech junk I was schlepping around. A good tablet would cut that down a bit.

 

[editor]

Regardless of who makes the reading device, I'd still rather read a magazine on paper. It's still the best format for reading!

 

[pinkmonkey]

Regardless of who makes the reading device, I'd still rather read a magazine on paper. It's still the best format for reading!

it is on a bus in Tottenham - for reasons of personal safety!

 

[Kanda]

Regardless of who makes the reading device, I'd still rather read a magazine on paper. It's still the best format for reading!

My problem with that is you either have them sitting around for ages after or just end up wastefully binning them. I like the idea of having subscriptions electronically delivered and stored electronically.