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And I dont know why people get quite so upset about editors stance regarding Apple - its one man with an opinion he is entitled to. Ive spent a small fortune on Apple gear since 2005 but it does not bother me if some people have some big gripes with Apple, indeed I can acknowledge their downside without feeling like my own tribe is under attack or that I have wasted my money. Sure I sometimes think that editor goes a bit ott but then again Im well aware that there are a range of subjects that make me go ott. And if we didnt have any negativity about Apple then it would make their image seem even more creepy and cult-like, so hoorah for those who dont drink the kool-aid.
 
I'm not bothered about the Ed's stance on Apple to be fair. It's only when he pretends to be 'fair and balanced' in that Fox News type way that objections tend to arise for me.
 
tarannau said:
I'm not bothered about the Ed's stance on Apple to be fair. It's only when he pretends to be 'fair and balanced' in that Fox News type way that objections tend to arise for me.
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Exactly its not the stance, its how its articulated.
 
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And I dont know why people get quite so upset about editors stance regarding Apple - its one man with an opinion he is entitled to. Ive spent a small fortune on Apple gear since 2005 but it does not bother me if some people have some big gripes with Apple, indeed I can acknowledge their downside without feeling like my own tribe is under attack or that I have wasted my money. Sure I sometimes think that editor goes a bit ott but then again Im well aware that there are a range of subjects that make me go ott. And if we didnt have any negativity about Apple then it would make their image seem even more creepy and cult-like, so hoorah for those who dont drink the kool-aid.
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Yeah, but if people didn't get so wobbly about Apple, it wouldn't be half so much fun. It's a symbiotic relationship.
 
elbows said:
And I dont know why people get quite so upset about editors stance regarding Apple - its one man with an opinion he is entitled to. Ive spent a small fortune on Apple gear since 2005 but it does not bother me if some people have some big gripes with Apple, indeed I can acknowledge their downside without feeling like my own tribe is under attack or that I have wasted my money. ....
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A sane opinion at last!

Some people seem to take any criticism (or even opinions expressed elsewhere by someone else!) I post up about Apple as some sort of personal attack, but in reality I very rarely have a bad word to say about any of Apple's products.

However, making great consumer products doesn't mean Apple should be exempt from criticism or comment, or their business practices ignored.
 
It does seem odd how Apple users seem to take an attack on Apple as an attack on themselves. No other company has managed to do this - maybe Google a little bit, but by no means as much as Apple. How did they do it? :confused:
 
Yes sir, you are misread on Apple products as often as GMarthews is elsewhere. It's the AppleMonoThought clique regarding any criticism of Apple as 'personal,' that's it.
:D

You are welcome to your opinions about Apple and I mean that sincerely. But equally I really don't think people are consistently misreading your bias and jibes either. Fairy nuff?
 
magneze said:
It does seem odd how Apple users seem to take an attack on Apple as an attack on themselves. No other company has managed to do this - maybe Google a little bit, but by no means as much as Apple. How did they do it? :confused:
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I think it probably happens with cars and music quite a lot. It happened with ZX Spectrum versus C64 back when I was a kid.

I suspect its something to do with tribal instincts, the high price of apple stuff giving people more reason to be defensive, plus the absolute joy that many people get from apples product design makes them want to defend them like they would a loved one.
 
elbows said:
I think it probably happens with cars and music quite a lot. It happened with ZX Spectrum versus C64 back when I was a kid.

I suspect its something to do with tribal instincts, the high price of apple stuff giving people more reason to be defensive, plus the absolute joy that many people get from apples product design makes them want to defend them like they would a loved one.
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Comparing it with music is a good analogy - it feels a bit like that sometimes when reading these debates. Almost as if Apple is an artist in their own right rather than a massive corporate entity.
 
magneze said:
It does seem odd how Apple users seem to take an attack on Apple as an attack on themselves. No other company has managed to do this - maybe Google a little bit, but by no means as much as Apple. How did they do it? :confused:
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Their products cost a lot more than similar products, and so people feel a sense of buyer's remorse that they bury in brand loyalty and a sense of righteousness. "But it's so much slicker!", "But it's so well made!".

By not subscribing to the same sentiment, you undermine this, and this exposes the buyer's remorse.

Differing opinion is also a big deal for those that buy into Apple as a lifestyle brand. They buy it to be seen as a cut above the usual, so if people don't see the brand as any better then it undermines the lifestyle choice.

It's the same for any high-end brand, but particularly so with Apple.
 
I got felt defensive when people had a go about me upgrading from the Zeus 'Mars' model to the 'Jupiter' so know how you Apple lot feel :(
 
Kanda said:
How is iBorg, Fanbois and whatever else you want to come up with criticising a product? It's not, you're having a go at the people that use a product. :rolleyes:
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I described myself as 'joining the iBorg' because I bought an iPhone.

Or are you upset because I took the piss out of myself now?

:facepalm:
 
ChrisFilter said:
Their products cost a lot more than similar products, and so people feel a sense of buyer's remorse that they bury in brand loyalty and a sense of righteousness. "But it's so much slicker!", "But it's so well made!".

By not subscribing to the same sentiment, you undermine this, and this exposes the buyer's remorse.

Differing opinion is also a big deal for those that buy into Apple as a lifestyle brand. They buy it to be seen as a cut above the usual, so if people don't see the brand as any better then it undermines the lifestyle choice.

It's the same for any high-end brand, but particularly so with Apple.
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I wonder if they've over-reached this time. The hype is so big that whatever they've done it's going to be disappointing.
 
To be fair, Apple don't really control the hype. They announce a product launch and give few hints. Mass hysteria and contagious media pant wetting then occurs.

I'm sure Apple aren't too fussed about the effect of their secrecy and past record, but they're not really in control of the circus that ensues.
 
I would say the products are the innocent ones in all this. They can't defend themselves, or make any decisions about what they are. Therefore it is perfectly legitimate to launch any attacks on the users.

It's like saying you shouldn't criticise fur coat wearers - only the fur coats themselves.
 
tarannau said:
To be fair, Apple don't really control the hype. They announce a product launch and give few hints. Mass hysteria and contagious media pant wetting then occurs.

I'm sure Apple aren't too fussed about the effect of their secrecy and past record, but they're not really in control of the circus that ensues.
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This post shows just how good the Apple marketing department is :D
 
magneze said:
I wonder if they've over-reached this time. The hype is so big that whatever they've done it's going to be disappointing.
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Heh..

Jobs coming up on stage all sheepish.
Shuffling nervously and mumbling about this 'prototype' tablet thing.
Then tripping over and dropping it on the floor.
 
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