Mrs Magpie
On a bit of break...
Isn't that the 'Green Man'?
Any ideas for the Warrior Pub? (archive chat about the Warrior/Junction pub, Loughborough Junc)
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The plans, according to the agenda document on Lambeth councils web site, a copy of which can now be found at:
http://tinyurl.com/i4e8
involves making the upper floors into flats, keeping the ground floor as a pub, and building more flats in a new extension on one side.
If anyone knows differently please feel free to correct me, I'm just going on the council's planning documents.
That's for The Warrior / Junction, not The Green Man. The Green Man is just going to be residential - no pub or shops or anything else at all.
Giles..
http://tinyurl.com/i4e8
involves making the upper floors into flats, keeping the ground floor as a pub, and building more flats in a new extension on one side.
If anyone knows differently please feel free to correct me, I'm just going on the council's planning documents.
That's for The Warrior / Junction, not The Green Man. The Green Man is just going to be residential - no pub or shops or anything else at all.
Giles..
Mrs Magpie
On a bit of break...
No, I've got my pubs confused.....thanks for clearing that up, Giles.
"That's for The Warrior / Junction, not The Green Man. The Green Man is just going to be residential - no pub or shops or anything else at all".
That is the plan. We've talked about this alot on here. Without going thru it all again, the above is a VERY POOR planning decision. If the pub has to go the ground floor MUST remain as shop units. Once gone, they never get put back.
That is the plan. We've talked about this alot on here. Without going thru it all again, the above is a VERY POOR planning decision. If the pub has to go the ground floor MUST remain as shop units. Once gone, they never get put back.
The Springfield on the corner of Solon/Kepler, currently boarded up, also has an application to develop as a pub with flats above. I think in this instance its to rebuild.
It struck me as strange, I'd have thought unless the pub is very restrained and keen on getting people out and away at closing time, the flats above wouldn't be that atractive. I know someone who bought a flat over what was a very traditional pub in Clerkenwell, spent a lot gutting it and fitting it out. The pub changed hands and was turned into a style bar, and their life became hell - they had to sell up in the end.
I have heard that sometimes a pub/bar is included in the planning application just to keep the usage open - whether or not the intention is develop it as such. (Though that's clearly not the case with the Warrior).
It struck me as strange, I'd have thought unless the pub is very restrained and keen on getting people out and away at closing time, the flats above wouldn't be that atractive. I know someone who bought a flat over what was a very traditional pub in Clerkenwell, spent a lot gutting it and fitting it out. The pub changed hands and was turned into a style bar, and their life became hell - they had to sell up in the end.
I have heard that sometimes a pub/bar is included in the planning application just to keep the usage open - whether or not the intention is develop it as such. (Though that's clearly not the case with the Warrior).
Mr Retro
Beware hedgehogs
The Springfield has the potential to be a top pub. It's huge with room for a beer garden and everything.
It was a shithole before it closed but the customers were a good bunch. It was the oil and water mix of being both an Irish and a Chelsea pub. When Chelsea were playing the landlady would do a buffet and everybody would get pissed and dance around to rebel irish songs.
I would give anything to own that pub but the last occupants were too lazy to make a go of it. Used to annoy me.
It was a shithole before it closed but the customers were a good bunch. It was the oil and water mix of being both an Irish and a Chelsea pub. When Chelsea were playing the landlady would do a buffet and everybody would get pissed and dance around to rebel irish songs.
I would give anything to own that pub but the last occupants were too lazy to make a go of it. Used to annoy me.
Mrs Magpie
On a bit of break...
The name probably didn't help.....the Springfield was also the name for a large local mental Hospital......closed now, or 're-branded'.
THE WARRIOR
Well-Known Member
new planning application for the green man
As I previously commented on the original plans for the Green Man, I have received notification of a new application. This one incorporates the 2 shops next door in Coldharbour Lane, and puts a mansard floor on top so they are able to squeeze 12 flats out of the site.
BUT....
They are doing nothing to enhance/upgrade the existing shops - they just remain as is. The ground floor of the Green Man remains a flat - with the room on the corner being a bedroom - some location!
The plans etc are at the Planning office and I guess will be in the Tate Library for viewing within a week or 2.
There is a crude computer generated image which is dishonest. It avoids showing the mansard roof, and shows those big curly brass lights hanging down at intervals and shining on the non existant fascia to the pub - presumably to remind people of its heritage - but crap if you want to sleep in that bedroom on the corner.
If they are amalgamating with next door, and adding a mansard roof, given that the permission was only granted originally against all of Lambeths policies to protect business/retail uses, to rid the site of its past history, can we not now lobby to get back a retail/pub use to the ground floor and insist upon upgrading the adjacent shops in return for allowing the mansard and redevelopment above the shops?
I will be writing - details are as follows: application number 03/02058/FUL. Aimee Doig is the Planning Case Officer (7926 1000)
There is no proposal to give anything back to the community - because the number of units is below the threshold - there is not even a requirement for affordable housing.
As I previously commented on the original plans for the Green Man, I have received notification of a new application. This one incorporates the 2 shops next door in Coldharbour Lane, and puts a mansard floor on top so they are able to squeeze 12 flats out of the site.
BUT....
They are doing nothing to enhance/upgrade the existing shops - they just remain as is. The ground floor of the Green Man remains a flat - with the room on the corner being a bedroom - some location!
The plans etc are at the Planning office and I guess will be in the Tate Library for viewing within a week or 2.
There is a crude computer generated image which is dishonest. It avoids showing the mansard roof, and shows those big curly brass lights hanging down at intervals and shining on the non existant fascia to the pub - presumably to remind people of its heritage - but crap if you want to sleep in that bedroom on the corner.
If they are amalgamating with next door, and adding a mansard roof, given that the permission was only granted originally against all of Lambeths policies to protect business/retail uses, to rid the site of its past history, can we not now lobby to get back a retail/pub use to the ground floor and insist upon upgrading the adjacent shops in return for allowing the mansard and redevelopment above the shops?
I will be writing - details are as follows: application number 03/02058/FUL. Aimee Doig is the Planning Case Officer (7926 1000)
There is no proposal to give anything back to the community - because the number of units is below the threshold - there is not even a requirement for affordable housing.
Please everybody tell everyone they know in LJ or near to take MR WARRIOR's advice above and write in about this. Otherwise you'll lose the Green Man as a pub/bar, or at least shops, for ever.
To make it easier Mr Warrior, could you put up the full contact details here. And if you can be bothered, a model letter people can copy.
To make it easier Mr Warrior, could you put up the full contact details here. And if you can be bothered, a model letter people can copy.
THE WARRIOR
Well-Known Member
I WILL TRY AND POST A MODEL LETTER FOR ADAPTION WITHIN THE NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS - BUT DO HAVE A LOOK AT THE SCHEME - YOU MIGHT ALSO LIKE TO LOOK AT A SCHEME FOR 1 CAMBRIA ROAD SUBMITTED BY THE BEAUMONT BROTHERS - WHO I KNOW HAVE AN ILLUSTRIOUS FOLLOWING IN THIS FORUM. IT IS BASICALLY A PLAN TO STICK A 4 BED HOUSE IN THE BACK GARDENS OF 4 OR 5 TERRACE HOUSES WHICH FRONT COLDHARBOUR LANE AND ARE FILLED TO THE GILLS WITH STUDENTS. I GUESS IF THE FRONT GARDENS ARE ANYTHING TO GO BY THERE IS LITTLE LOSS BOTANICALLY AT THE REAR BUT HELL ITS THE PRINCIPLE OF DEVELOPING IN GARDENS AND TO PROPERTIES WHICH THEY OWN AND CANNOT EVEN MAINTAIN WHICH SUCKS.
THERE MAYBE WIDER ISSUES WE CAN USE THIS APPLICATION FOR TO DRAW ATTENTION TO THEIR RACHMAN LIKE WAYS.
APPLIC NO. 03/01795/OUT SARAH JENKIN IS THE CASE OFFICER
THERE MAYBE WIDER ISSUES WE CAN USE THIS APPLICATION FOR TO DRAW ATTENTION TO THEIR RACHMAN LIKE WAYS.
APPLIC NO. 03/01795/OUT SARAH JENKIN IS THE CASE OFFICER
THE WARRIOR
Well-Known Member
Planning Services
Acre House
10 Acre Lane
LONDON SW2 5LL
Model letter should always include the planning reference and the title of the building and development as well (in case there was a typo in the referenced)
Best comments are factual, or refer to use/environment and do not get too subjective about design - crap quality of design is worth commenting on.
Acre House
10 Acre Lane
LONDON SW2 5LL
Model letter should always include the planning reference and the title of the building and development as well (in case there was a typo in the referenced)
Best comments are factual, or refer to use/environment and do not get too subjective about design - crap quality of design is worth commenting on.
If you want to object to the loss of shops/venue at Loughborough Junction, I've put together a letter you can use from the above posts:
Planning Services
Acre House
10 Acre Lane
LONDON SW2 5LL
Attn: Aimee Doig, Planning Case Officer
Application number 03/02058/FUL
Dear Aimee,
I write to object to the loss of ground floor retail space (or bar venue) at the former Green Man public house, Coldharbour Lane.
The applications for this property are doing nothing to enhance/upgrade the existing shops - they just remain as is. The ground floor of the Green Man would be lost as retail or venue and becomes a flat - with the room on the corner being a bedroom - some location!
In the plans there is a crude computer generated image which is dishonest. It avoids showing the mansard roof, and shows those big curly brass lights hanging down at intervals and shining on the non-existent fascia to the pub - presumably to remind people of its heritage - but crap if you want to sleep in that bedroom on the corner.
If they are amalgamating with next door, and adding a mansard roof, given that the permission was only granted originally against all of Lambeth’s policies to protect business/retail uses, to rid the site of its past history, can we not now get back a retail/pub use to the ground floor and insist upon upgrading the adjacent shops in return for allowing the mansard and redevelopment above the shops?
Sincerely, etc
Snail mail to the Acre Lane address above.
Planning Services
Acre House
10 Acre Lane
LONDON SW2 5LL
Attn: Aimee Doig, Planning Case Officer
Application number 03/02058/FUL
Dear Aimee,
I write to object to the loss of ground floor retail space (or bar venue) at the former Green Man public house, Coldharbour Lane.
The applications for this property are doing nothing to enhance/upgrade the existing shops - they just remain as is. The ground floor of the Green Man would be lost as retail or venue and becomes a flat - with the room on the corner being a bedroom - some location!
In the plans there is a crude computer generated image which is dishonest. It avoids showing the mansard roof, and shows those big curly brass lights hanging down at intervals and shining on the non-existent fascia to the pub - presumably to remind people of its heritage - but crap if you want to sleep in that bedroom on the corner.
If they are amalgamating with next door, and adding a mansard roof, given that the permission was only granted originally against all of Lambeth’s policies to protect business/retail uses, to rid the site of its past history, can we not now get back a retail/pub use to the ground floor and insist upon upgrading the adjacent shops in return for allowing the mansard and redevelopment above the shops?
Sincerely, etc
Snail mail to the Acre Lane address above.
.editor said:This post filed under, "whatever happened to...."
The original poster was an estate agent and has never returned to these boards since
I went past the Warrior last week and there's still a load of building going on and no immediate prospect of the pub opening.
Sadly the building contractor employed to undertake the construction works for these properties folded over Christmas. The two properties had lots of hidden defects that cost the company everything, they also completed only 4 months work in 12 months of the time. The owner is now completing the works with another contractor.
Same scheme as before, just a couple of years late!
editor
hiraethified
Ah you're still here! Nice one!sun man said:
So what exactly is happening to the Warrior? Looks to me like they've rebuilt the entire building.
And what's the scoop with the Warrior/Green Man?
Are they really going to reopen?
Oh, and the reason I bumped the thread was because I posted up a new 'then and now' that featured the Warrior. It really brings into focus how much Loughborough Junction has declined.
http://www.urban75.org/brixton/history/loughborough8.html
Lost pubs: http://www.urban75.org/brixton/bars/lost-pubs.html
sun man said:.
Sadly the building contractor employed to undertake the construction works for these properties folded over Christmas. The two properties had lots of hidden defects that cost the company everything, they also completed only 4 months work in 12 months of the time. The owner is now completing the works with another contractor.
Same scheme as before, just a couple of years late!
if it's going to reopen, make sure the guinness is normal temperature, not fucking extracold. and some good real ales.....
Rushy
basically a scrotum
Mrs Magpie said:Please get rid of the exterior black paint too............it makes the area even drearier.....and please don't change the name from the Warrior, I hate landmark names changing.........if you think it's a bit macho you could always have a pubsign featuring Boudicca
There are few more macho than Boudicca!
Solid pubs that are also family friendly during the day are hard to find - like the Bread and Roses in Clapham Manor Street or, slightly different, Mango Landing. The Effra is a great example of a pub with lots of original features - what is great about the Effra is that it has talented musicians most nights and yet remains a 'pub with live music' rather than specifically a music venue. So a combination of those three would be great IMO!
I thought that the plan was to re-open the "Warrior" / Junction as a pub/bar, with flats above and the new bit down the side.
And the Green Man was not going to be a pub, although the ground floor bit was going to have some sort of non-residential use (shop etc)?
Giles..
And the Green Man was not going to be a pub, although the ground floor bit was going to have some sort of non-residential use (shop etc)?
Giles..
ChrisSouth
Well-Known Member
I also note that the flats are for rent, not for sale.....
