Paulie Tandoori
shut it you egg!
good, kick these cunts straight back up the m4 really
Anti-Fascist/Anti-Racist demo - Cardiff Saturday 5th June
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lewislewis
Lumumba Cymru
Yes that's exactly the support I want!
This was actually a very credible turn-out for the anti-fascist side, in a city like Cardiff where there is no organised presence of the far-right and no race problems or immigration problems.
lewislewis
Lumumba Cymru
You're on to something here, definitely.
There's that 'British Wales' element- the south-east, Cardiff, the Vale and Bridgend, then the north-east as well (and the bits of Mid Wales that have been colonised). They are Welsh generally, in identity and symbols, but politically they're very much looking at things from a British perspective, and that's where you get assumptions coming in that Wales is being 'flooded' with migrants or that there are race problems here, when there are clearly not.
The absence of a Welsh national media is one of the main reasons for this.
Not sure about the Irish Special Branch though, why would they be involved in Wales?
lewislewis
Lumumba Cymru
The soul crew finally have something to be proud of... the EDL have set up an 'i hate the soul crew' page
Should make next season interesting
That's interesting- the group's description mentions 'swim away swim away', that's a Swansea City FC anti-CCFC song/saying. Looks like tribalism is asserting itself amongst the Welsh branch of the EDL. Warms my heart it does.
Some of the comments from the EDL supporters are worth noting too-
Dean Smith- "there was lot more edl than wdl as i went from dudley to give wdl my support.not happy bout how police treated us though n them idiot cardiff fans who tried to attack us,for fucks sake we,re in this fight together n must stick together"
Cardiff fans attacked them? I saw a few CCFC shirts on the anti-fascist demo, was it them mixed up in the UAF contingent that got to the green, or was this 'other' Cardiff fans or non-shirted CCFC hoolies fighting the EDL , hence the Swansea City link?
Chucky Connolly- "the wanky soul crew mobbing up with the unwashed and mussies is fuckin shockin...traitors"
Soul Crew turned out to fight the EDL? That's really significant if so.
Ste Latimer suggests that Swansea are the 'WDL, true patriots', and Andy Richards says also that the soul crew attacked them.
There seems to be a clear split going on.
Come to think of it, I do remember seeing a group of toughs in the anti-fascist demo, doc martens, shaven heads etc, I assumed they were anti-racist punks or something, they may well have been CCFC affiliated or soul crew or something (I don't know enough about football hooliganism to tell).
Whatever it is, it looks like the old Cardiff-Swansea rivalry and the Cardiff-England rivalry matters way more to them than the anti-Muslim "cause".
Clint Iguana
not an undercover cop
The 'lads' that seem to have become heroes of the hour were not the skin-heads you mention, or city shirt wearing - merely a group of 'robust' casual looking boys in their thirties from the docks area. They have grown up in the most multi cultural part of town and have no time for anyone trying to upset the balance of things, or drag Cardiff city's name through the mud.
I would not describe them as anti-fascists, i doubt they are going to be joining UAF and probably would not get involved in anything out of town, they just did not want the EDL on their patch. I think the fact that the EDL were parading around town waving St George flags and many of them were known Wolves/Bristol fans etc also aggravated the situation.
Clint Iguana
not an undercover cop
There are clearly two schools of thought on dealing with the fash.
1) there is only one language the fash understand and that is 'confrontation'
2) violence is just lowering yourself to their level and we should peacefully demonstrate that our community is united and they are not welcome.
Now for me, both these arguments have a place, up to a point. I think which ever tactic you use you should respect the choice of others that choose a different tactic.
The UAF yesterday seemed hell bent on avoiding confrontation - and i can see where they are coming from because they have been portrayed by the media as being as bad as the EDL. They decided to march around the bay and have speakers out of sight of the EDL. Fine, i am not going to knock them for their choice.
However, i thought it was out of order that their 'leader', had a go at others for standing where the EDL could see them and letting the EDL know they were not welcome - making out that they were 'spoiling things'. he wanted everybody to go around the corner out of the way and listen to the speakers.
If everybody had done that, the EDL would have thought they could meet unchallenged.
It turns out that there was a large presence of 'unaligned' anti-fascists that were not going to tow the UAF line and chose to confront, hassle and harangue the EDL at every opportunity. is this as bad as the fascists themselves? Maybe, personally i think not.
Looking through some of the various message boards and facebooks last night and today, the EDL have not made any mention of the UAF rally, the thing that has shaken them is that white working class 'lads' chose to stand up against them. Some of the messages imply this is the first time this has happened - up until now it has been 'hippies and commies' (sic) they have been up against. They dont really care what the 'great unwashed' think of them, but i think yesterday might have actually rattled their cage a little bit.
Perhaps i am overstating the case, but it has certainly pushed me a little closer to the view that there is only one language the fash understand.
1) there is only one language the fash understand and that is 'confrontation'
2) violence is just lowering yourself to their level and we should peacefully demonstrate that our community is united and they are not welcome.
Now for me, both these arguments have a place, up to a point. I think which ever tactic you use you should respect the choice of others that choose a different tactic.
The UAF yesterday seemed hell bent on avoiding confrontation - and i can see where they are coming from because they have been portrayed by the media as being as bad as the EDL. They decided to march around the bay and have speakers out of sight of the EDL. Fine, i am not going to knock them for their choice.
However, i thought it was out of order that their 'leader', had a go at others for standing where the EDL could see them and letting the EDL know they were not welcome - making out that they were 'spoiling things'. he wanted everybody to go around the corner out of the way and listen to the speakers.
If everybody had done that, the EDL would have thought they could meet unchallenged.
It turns out that there was a large presence of 'unaligned' anti-fascists that were not going to tow the UAF line and chose to confront, hassle and harangue the EDL at every opportunity. is this as bad as the fascists themselves? Maybe, personally i think not.
Looking through some of the various message boards and facebooks last night and today, the EDL have not made any mention of the UAF rally, the thing that has shaken them is that white working class 'lads' chose to stand up against them. Some of the messages imply this is the first time this has happened - up until now it has been 'hippies and commies' (sic) they have been up against. They dont really care what the 'great unwashed' think of them, but i think yesterday might have actually rattled their cage a little bit.
Perhaps i am overstating the case, but it has certainly pushed me a little closer to the view that there is only one language the fash understand.
1927
Funnier than he thinks he is.
Tbf Cardiff City boys get a bad press usually and I think thats fair enough, but for the past few weeks the City messgae boards have been anti WDL/EDL with very few dissenting voices and those that have tried have bee shouted down. The docks boys in particular have been vociferous in theiur anti Nazi stance and if there is anywhere in cardiff that has racial unrest its the docks, but they seem far happier to sort out local differences amicably than kicking the shit out of each other and protesting against all.
By the way those weren't english flags they were waving. The flag of St.George is excatly that and has never so far as I am aware been officilaly adopted as the flag of England. I think the irony of these muppets waving a flag of somone who probably never visited England, was a Turkish arab and is idolised as a saint in many muslim countries is just brilliant.
By the way those weren't english flags they were waving. The flag of St.George is excatly that and has never so far as I am aware been officilaly adopted as the flag of England. I think the irony of these muppets waving a flag of somone who probably never visited England, was a Turkish arab and is idolised as a saint in many muslim countries is just brilliant.
What were those German cunts hoping for yesterday? That Welsh people would start waving England flags?
1927
Funnier than he thinks he is.
They would probably had a better response in Swansea to that idea. one of the reasons cardiff fans hate them is because they carry Union Jacks rather than Welsh flags at football matches!
Err. Islam doesn't have saints, lol.
Dirty fucking unionist huns, if they do that they can get the fuck out of Wales.
1927
Funnier than he thinks he is.
Ok may be my choice of words was incorrect, but he is certainly patronised by peoples that the WDL/EDL would consider undesirable, that was my point.
Saxon scum they are, asiatic demons. You know the Aryans came from Afghanistan?
Strumpet
gypsy girl
Me and another Urb were there. Tons of police. Only a small bunch of EDF. They also chanted about ppl not being English anymore. Twats
Glad you were ok. We were a bit worried
Clint Iguana
not an undercover cop
Perhaps we should form Urban Against Fascism ... 
That was "The Oppressed". Legendary antifascist skinhead band.
They got some shit from the crowd early on until they showed their Antifa t-shirts.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Of all the people to give shit to!
Roddy Moreno: Cardiff legend.
Was disappointed by how few of the Cardiff arts community were there - unless I missed them. You know, all those right on Guardian-reading, Chapter Arts subsidy-chaser types. Only saw one writer there and he's from Manchester. Maybe they were all at Hay. Tarquins.
Ranbay
The same rules apply
If there was no Rugby and The Cricket and the Gig then i guess the numbers would have been better? loads of my mates where doing the cricket or the Rugby and few went to the gig....
If they ever dared to come back to Cardiff i think it would be a diffrent story from yesterday.
If they ever dared to come back to Cardiff i think it would be a diffrent story from yesterday.
Ranbay
The same rules apply
Talking of the Guardian think this report is pretty poor. Makes it sound like an extreme Welsh Nationalist day out, when in fact it was mostly EDL. She doesn't mention the EDL once. Most of them were from the Midlands, Bristol and London apparently.
Col_Buendia
sort code
The missus, child and I were standing next to their table and couldn't decide which demo they'd come from and whether we'd chance sitting next to them for a pint until we saw them cheerfully salute lots of the black and Asian lads returning to the centre past the Hilton. Phew!
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