Anti-Fascist/Anti-Racist demo - Cardiff Saturday 5th June

[Clint Iguana]

"certainly they weren't with the organisers and i have sat with the organisers before and even now, and the organisers don't bear any credence to what just went on over there. What i would say is - why did we take them out? Because they were causing trouble and needed to be dealt with firmly

Hate to admit it, but at that point the old bill were fairly civilised and actually, did not deal with it 'firmly' - at least, not as firmly as they usually respond.

EDIT.... another untruth, we were not causing trouble

 

[Karac]

The best was when they chanted... "you're not English any more"

i fucking pissed laughing... muppets.

Bussed in Neo Nazi nutjobs

 

[PAD1OH]

Hate to admit it, but at that point the old bill were fairly civilised and actually, did not deal with it 'firmly' - at least, not as firmly as they usually respond.

that's because there were so many of them !!!!!! it was nuts.

more pics.

 

[ddraig]

yes the police were mostly reasonable but it was down to the numbers and also they were pushing it when they really didn't need to a few times include shoving the smallest woman in the group we were with into people when there was no other way for her to go.

fairplay to Carwyn

Speaking before the WDL demonstration, Mr Jones said: “We pride ourselves on being a tolerant, multi-cultural society and we are determined that Wales should be a country in which all sections of the community can respect each other’s cultures, religions and languages.

“A demonstration directed at any religious group has no place in our capital city. We must challenge every manifestation of racism, intolerance and discrimination as we find it and let organisations who peddle racial hatred know that they are not welcome here in Wales.”

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/nor...acism-is-not-welcome-in-wales-55578-26592275/

 

[ddraig]

lorra wagons

the metal walls they had round the back were pretty full on as well

 

[Silurian]

Why is a blatant Public-Boarding-School old buoy wearing a Dai-cap?

 

[ddraig]

dai cap

the video on the 2nd page of link above shows how many of them there were
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/w...ntre-protest-marches-latest-91466-26592284/2/

 

[Ranbay]

Nice Welsh lad there sticking up for Wales.... thank fuck for that... LOL

 

[PAD1OH]

they had officers from Thames Valley

 

[ddraig]

and loads from Gwent who said they were when one bloke near us called the South Wales police corrupt! then he went round a load of em and asked them if they were Gwent and told them off for busting a free party recently
classic

 

[Karac]

Why are a lot of the supposed WDL carrying England flags,UJs and Israeli flags?

 

[ddraig]

yeah! they also had signs that said 'Cymru defence league' sick!
but they weren't shouting cdl

 

[Silurian]

they also had signs that said 'Cymru defence league' sick!
but they weren't shouting cdl

Why are a lot of the supposed WDL carrying England flags,UJs and Israeli flags?

Conspiracy theory: such developments simply back-up my lingering hunch that 'other forces' are at work here, off stage. The history of the involvement of (Irish) Special Branch in Wales is long and miserable.

Such wild paranoia aside, there are worrying signs that English-speaking Wales in particular is becoming increasingly susceptible to the reactionary and the short-of-IQ. English-speaking Wales possibly feels increasingly left between England on the one hand and 'proper' Wales/Cymru on the other, a cultural nomansland ripe for far-right pickings.

I wish all of the English Left would decamp here to Cardiff rather than be so thinly spread and useless!

 

[Karac]

Conspiracy theory: such developments simply back-up my lingering hunch that 'other forces' are at work here, off stage. The history of the involvement of (Irish) Special Branch in Wales is long and miserable.

Wtf?

 

[Silurian]

Conspiracy theory: such developments simply back-up my lingering hunch that 'other forces' are at work here, off stage. The history of the involvement of (Irish) Special Branch in Wales is long and miserable.

Wtf?[/QUOTE]

Sorry, should have read the Special (Irish) Branch.

 

[Paulie Tandoori]

they had officers from Thames Valley

certainly seems like he was about last april at the g20. numbers coverd up and all

 

[ddraig]

heh

FIT (maybe) filming the terror cyclists of Cardiff critical mass

 

[Karac]

Sorry, should have read the Special (Irish) Branch.

Who are they?

 

[Silurian]

Who are they?

Special Branch is a label customarily used to identify units responsible for matters of national security in British and Commonwealth police forces, as well as in Ireland's Garda Síochána. A Special Branch unit acquires and develops intelligence, usually of a political nature, and conducts investigations to protect the State from perceived threats of subversion -- particularly, terrorism and other extremist activity.

The point being, that the EDL (& 'WDL') happily chuck about conspiracy theories and gain considerable momentum thereby; Anti-fascist types, committed to some degree of rational empirical ties to the real world, are loathe to indulge the same. The great irony here is that there is almost certainly far greater conspiring on the reactionary side to far better explain outbreaks of the likes of the 'Welsh Defence League'.

If the EDL/'WDL' are happy to throw conspiracy at the Left, how would they themselves stand up to such logic? For instance, to what extent has there really REALLY been a rivalry bnetween Swansea-Cardiff football supports on the basis of Swansea Jacks being Union Jack waving dicks of the Glasgow Range stripe? Again, Special Irish Branch (etc etc) have a great stake in saving the union of the United Kingdom and dispersing distintive Welsh progressivism.

 

[la ressistance]

thankyou to everyone who went today to tell the edl to go fuck themselves.youve done cardiff proud.
i liked seeing the bluebirds against nazis.

thankyou again,im glad you spoke up for us against these cunts.

 

[Karac]

The point being, that the EDL (& 'WDL') happily chuck about conspiracy theories and gain considerable momentum thereby. Anti-fascist types, committed to some degree of rational empirical ties to the real world, are loathe to indulge the same. The great irony here, however, is that there is almost far greater conspiring on the reactionary side that possibly far better explains outbreaks of the likes of the 'Welsh Defence League' who seem to emerge from god knows where...

If the EDL/'WDL' are ahhpy to throw conspiracy at the Left, how would they themselves stand up to such logic? For instance, to what extent has there really REALLY been a rivalry bnetween Swansea-Cardiff football supports on the basis of Swansea Jacks being Union Jack waving dicks of the Glasgow Range stripe? Again, Special Irish Branch (etc etc) have a great stake in saving the union of the United Kingdom and dispersing distintive Welsh progressivism.

Your that nutter off icwales

 

[Paulie Tandoori]

so what happened? lots of pics but little info.

 

[Silurian]

Your that nutter off icwales

Link me!?

I am full of rotted applejuice atm, but the principle stands!

 

[ddraig]

afaik
both sides were allowed to march to their pre set out pens which were quite far from each other, at least 500 to 700 yds
the fash were down a side street between city hall and the museum and set back so mostly out of view
there were a lot of anti's outside the official pen and as close as they could get on the other side of a wide road opposite the forementioned fash position
could only really see them now and again for the vans and coppers in the way
so it wasn't really face to face
there were a couple of flashpoints were it nearly went off but heddlu had the numbers to reign it in
and fair play to the council security for keeping the weddings going and safe in city hall!

what else do you want to know?

eta
one of the vocal shouters for the antis down the front had a can of brew and the heddlu were standing there 2ft away ignoring his shouts across at the fash and then joking that the can of brew wouldn't look good in the pictures
obv he didn't give a fuck and fair play to them for not taking it off him

 

[la ressistance]

Link me!?

I am full of rotted applejuice atm, but the principle stands!

your point is very odd.i know people who really hate swansea people cos they support swansea fc!!!
mi5 have noyhing to do with it,these people are just thick as shit,simple.

 

[Paulie Tandoori]

dunno. just wondered how it went off really.

(too well) organised protest by the sound. many english along?

 

[Silurian]

your point is very odd.i know people who really hate swansea people cos they support swansea fc!!!
mi5 have noyhing to do with it,these people are just thick as shit,simple.

Your point is odd to me, I'm afraid. No surprise whatsoever that you 'know people' who hate Swansea City FC supports just for the fact that they support Swansea City FC. But UI'm afraid that doesn't explain the very 'odd' attempts to replicate the Glasgow ethnic/football divide between the Welsh derby sides, does it?! Is there really and truely any reason why Swansea supports ought to take to the Union Jack rather than, say, Welsh nationalism and anti-UJ politics? No social base for it, as far as I am aware, and thus ample room for the Welsh mind to ponder.

Anyway, the overriding point being: it is NOT the Left that exists as a political glove-puppet for outside forces and conspiracies, be they Islam or Zionist or whatever else. Far closer to the reality is the idea that the far-right in Wales in particular is part of a broader conspiracy to propagate reaction and division in defence of the political status quo. I think you'll find.

many english along?

One or two, yeah.

 

[ddraig]

dunno. just wondered how it went off really.

(too well) organised protest by the sound. many english along?

most of them 98%+ wos english

 

[Ranbay]

From the EDL? people are saying 80-90% of them where English and a very poor turn out from the WDL

 

[Silurian]

From the EDL? people are saying 80-90% of them where English and a very poor turn out from the WDL

The 'Welsh Defence League' was the dream of English fuckwits, in cahoots with a couple of their Welsh hooligan buddies united by their particular species of macho violent gender 'politics' than by any love for Wales. WDL doesn't really exist, therefore outside of imaginings of its English contingent, who - lest we forget - see in Wales a loyal sidekick of a nation there to provide a steady supply of holiday weekend destinations and disposable young troops.