Angel pub on Coldharbour Lane becomes arty community space run by Brick Box

[teuchter]

Could you list some of these plentiful Brixton clubs regularly charging "£15/£20 plus to get in and then £4 for a bottle of beer at the bar," please?

Thanks.

Plan B
Electric Brixton
The Academy
414
Dex or whatever it's called this week
Jamm
[Mass when it was still open]
Dogstar sometimes

 

[teuchter]

Is it a licences venue then, that can afford to pay performer expenses from the profit they make at the bar? Theatre rarely works like that. It generally has to charge admission to cover essential costs.

Like expenses.

Exactly; it's hardly fair to compare with somewhere like the Albert that puts on nights where lots of people are likely to drink quite a lot and spend at the bar. Although it might technically be "free" it still makes money for the venue. Especially if they can get away with paying performers next to nothing.

 

[editor]

Plan B
Electric Brixton
The Academy
414
Dex or whatever it's called this week
Jamm
[Mass when it was still open]
Dogstar sometimes

At least try an honest argument. Please. The Academy isn't a club. It's a live venue, as are most of the names on your pointless list.
And the Dogstar does not regularly charge £15/£20 to get in for a club night, neither does the 414 or Plan B.

 

[editor]

Exactly; it's hardly fair to compare with somewhere like the Albert that puts on nights where lots of people are likely to drink quite a lot and spend at the bar. Although it might technically be "free" it still makes money for the venue. Especially if they can get away with paying performers next to nothing.

The venue doesn't "get away" with "paying performers next to nothing" not that you've got the slightest clue what you're on about.

 

[teuchter]

At least try an honest argument. Please. The Academy isn't a club. It's a live venue, as are most of the names on your pointless list.
And the Dogstar does not regularly charge £15/£20 to get in for a club night, neither does the 414 or Plan B.

I have been to club nights at the Academy and I have paid more than £15 for them. I have been going to club nights and paying that much at all of the venues in my list, for the past ten years and you calling it a "pointless" list isn't going to change that. Sometimes they are cheaper. I'm not saying they charge that much every single night. Neither is the ex-Angel running "hoity-toity" nights every night. Nor is it even charging anything approaching £15 for it's "hoity-toity" night.

 

[teuchter]

The venue doesn't "get away" with "paying performers next to nothing" not that you've got the slightest clue what you're on about.

You're the one that said performers including yourself are happy to play for expenses or a drink or two.

 

[teuchter]

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[editor]

I have been to club nights at the Academy and I have paid more than £15 for them. I have been to club nights and paid that much at all of the venues in my list. Sometimes they are cheaper than that. I am not saying they charge that much every single night. Neither is the ex-Angel running "hoity-toity" nights every night. Nor is it even charging anything approaching £15 for it's "hoity-toity" night.

You're comparing an all night club night with big name DJs at the Academy with a £40 supper club evening in a small pub? Jeez.

And what about the rest of the clubs on that list? You're just talking made-up bollocks that you can't even attempt to back up, aren't you?

 

[editor]

You're the one that said performers including yourself are happy to play for expenses or a drink or two.

The clue being "happy to play" for beers or whatever, and not being exploited by the management which your clueless post inferred.

 

[teuchter]

You're comparing an all night club night with big name DJs at the Academy with a £40 supper club evening in a small pub? Jeez.

Eh?

You asked for a list of clubs charging £15+ entry in Brixton, implying that such a thing did not exist.

I gave you an extensive list.

You said that the Academy wasn't a club.

I said that it was.

You seem to accept now that it runs club nights, but now you are implying that I was trying to say that a club night at the Academy is equivalent to the thing at the Angel.

Trying to have a discussion with you is like trying to argue with a goldfish.

Or is it a myth that they can only remember the past 30 seconds? I can't remember.




AND
£40 is for a four course meal.
£5 is the entry to the Angel to see the performances.

 

[teuchter]

The clue being "happy to play" for beers or whatever, and not being exploited by the management which your clueless post inferred.

I said the venue can get away with paying people very little. This statement is true, based on the information you provided.

 

[Gramsci]

Because in the post I quoted you said "do they take over the entire pub and charge people £5 just to walk about"

Brick box are charging people five pounds for live entertainment. Live entertainers should be paid. And it's the kind of work pro actors are constantly faced with doing for free, to build their CVs or because they find this kind of work artistically fulfilling. that £5 isn't "just to walk about" - it will hopefully cover their expenses.

What you posted was dismissive of what they were doing and the appropriateness of that being charged for at the door.

There is nothing on Brick Box FB page saying the £5 is to pay performers. The £40 is to cover the cost of food provided by the Supper Club and a cocktail. So I assume Supper Club are being paid.

I can see your point about entertainers being paid but you are making an assumption here.

 

[Kanda]

There is nothing on Brick Box FB page saying the £5 is to pay performers. The £40 is to cover the cost of food provided by the Supper Club and a cocktail. So I assume Supper Club are being paid.

I can see your point about entertainers being paid but you are making an assumption here.

Yes, 2 types of ticket. One with food (£40), one without(£5). There will be artists/performers and such there... it's not that big a leap is it to guess they're either paying people or covering costs?

 

[Gramsci]

Yes, 2 types of ticket. One with food (£40), one without(£5). There will be artists/performers and such there... it's not that big a leap is it to guess they're either paying people or covering costs?

I said I assume the Supper Club are doing it as a commercial concern as its and extra £35 ( that includes cocktail) It is a leap to assume that the £5 goes to the performers.

 

[Gramsci]

I think this thread is showing that there are different conceptions of what is a Community centre.

There is now a blurring of the lines between business and charity type projects called that is termed Social Enterprise.

Even Emma Harrison of whose business is "helping" the unemployed claims she is a social entrepeneur.

 

[editor]

You asked for a list of clubs charging £15+ entry in Brixton, implying that such a thing did not exist.

You claimed that "there are already plenty of clubs that regularly charge £15/£20 plus to get in and then £4 for a bottle of beer at the bar."

You then supported that daft claim with a list of live music venues hosting big name acts and some actual clubs that DO NOT regularly charge such amounts. I know you're mustard keen to try and personally attack me at every opportunity, but this is truly desperate stuff indeed.

 

[clandestino]

Very similar thing happening in the "French antiques" building on the Tulse Hill Gyratory - which also used to be a bank apparently. Arty community group types have been doing it up for a few weeks now and have their opening event this Sunday. Always thought it was a lovely looking building and a shame to be a wreck.

http://createslondon.tumblr.com/

This looks really interesting. I guess you were probably too busy to go? I wish I'd known about it...

 

[RaverDrew]

I just think putting on a dressy-uppy, hoity-toity £40 bash in a now-closed traditional black Brixton pub in an area surrounded by social housing isn't the greatest idea.

No different to a cheap working class pub like the Goose shutting down and being turned into a poncy overpriced hipster hell hole. Yet you seemed to champion that move at every opportunity.

Double Standards.

 

[quimcunx]

Not sure how a meal and cocktails with entertainment is somehow worth less than a club night. £40 seems reasonable for what it is.


That said it does seem like the community it's hoping to serve is the section that is already using brixton village rather than the people who so happen to live in the community and are perhaps lacking community social opportunities through not affording or wanting £40 supper events.

Will have to see what else comes up.

Mural preservation society exhibition?

 

[editor]

No different to a cheap working class pub like the Goose shutting down and being turned into a poncy overpriced hipster hell hole. Yet you seemed to champion that move at every opportunity.

Double Standards.

How does that work then? The Goose was a dreadful dump (read the reviews), and when it reopened as the RIN it served better beer, wasn't particualtly expensive (certainly less than some nearby boozers), it put on free entertainment and wasn't exclusive in the slightest.

That was a story about a pub surviving and staying open for all the community to use. This isn't. Try getting with the story before putting the boot in.

 

[editor]

That said it does seem like the community it's hoping to serve is the section that is already using brixton village rather than the people who so happen to live in the community and are perhaps lacking community social opportunities through not affording or wanting £40 supper events.

Indeed.

 

[editor]

Just to help RaverDrew take off his rose tinted glasses, here's a contemporary review of The Goose:

One visit to here will change your life forever. A disgrace. A show up. A stain on Brixton.
The horrific memories of visiting this shambles of a pub will stay with you till the grave. The funny smells, the dour decor, the random bumps and lumps in the floor, the cesspit that is the toilets, the rude locals, the Del Boy Trotter wannabe “manager”, the brain melting background music…..
The glasses are never clean, the kitchen is never open, the disabled toilets smell like a sewage plant, the regular toilet is always flooded, the whole pub is falling apart.
AVOID AVOID AVOID AVOID!!!!!

...Oh my goodness, do bars as bad as this really exist? I’m still scratching my head. The Goose is a huge barn of a place with absolutely no redeeming qualities. It’s bare, dull, tatty and just completely lacking. Cross your legs. Do not visit the toilets and just what the hell was that stench? The service was equally atrocious
http://www.urban75.org/blog/rest-is-noise-pub-brixton-closes-forever/

More 'rave' reviews here: http://www.beerintheevening.com/pubs/s/10/10486/Goose/Brixton

 

[Mrs Magpie]

That said it does seem like the community it's hoping to serve is the section that is already using brixton village rather than the people who so happen to live in the community and are perhaps lacking community social opportunities through not affording or wanting £40 supper events.

Well quite. If you look at the Super Output Area (small area for statistical stuff) it has one of the highest proportions of poverty, disability, mental illness, unemployment, deprivation in general in the country and this community event is much more 'Brixton Villagey' than the SOE it's in.

 

[Mrs Magpie]

I love Brixton and over the decades I've seen a lot of changes, good and bad. I've always lived on an estate and they are full of people who rarely benefit from a lot that happens. I just think that a lot of groups are setting up shop and talking about 'the community'. There's a whole lot of people that are invisible to them. A whole lot of people who are being shat upon from a great height and it was ever thus. At the moment there seem be be more arses above than ever before and lots of people are drowning in the shit.

 

[RaverDrew]

How does that work then? The Goose was a dreadful dump (read the reviews), and when it reopened as the RIN it served better beer

Subjective, there was plenty of choice of bargain priced lagers, ciders, and ales in the Goose, and I personally never had a dodgy pint in there.

wasn't particualtly expensive (certainly less than some nearby boozers)

I can't think of a single place nearby that was more expensive at the time, being charged £4 for a can of Red Stripe was a total piss-take.

it put on free entertainment and wasn't exclusive in the slightest.

Some people don't want to be blasted with shit indie bands when they go out for a drink, there's plenty of live music venues in the area for that kind of thing. Not exclusive in the slightest ? Compare the mix of the crowd that went in there before with afterwards ? I seem to remember it also had a sign outside saying "no sportswear, no workwear" The Goose wasn't to everyone's tastes but served a section of the community in Brixton who have been here for years, often displaced from places like The Angel. Ivan's Retreat/Rest is noise appealed to mainly a young hip crowd, not the kind of people you'd see too much of in Brixton before it opened.

That was a story about a pub surviving and staying open for all the community to use. This isn't. Try getting with the story before putting the boot in.

You can't just embrace and encourage gentrification one minute, then moan about it the next when it turns up on your doorstep.

 

[RaverDrew]

Just to help RaverDrew take off his rose tinted glasses, here's a contemporary review of The Goose:

More 'rave' reviews here: http://www.beerintheevening.com/pubs/s/10/10486/Goose/Brixton

Like I said, it wasn't to everyone's tastes

 

[teuchter]

You then supported that daft claim with a list of live music venues hosting big name acts and some actual clubs that DO NOT regularly charge such amounts.

You seem to think that putting stuff in capital letters makes it true.

There ARE lots of venues in Brixton that put on club nights and DO regularly charge such amounts.

I can go further and back up my capital letters with evidence though:

Electric Brixton this Friday £25

Jamm in a couple of weeks £15 main release

Plan B in a couple of weeks £15 main release

Brixton Academy £32 last weekend

414 in a couple of weeks £12 unless you turn up in the first hour

Brixton Clubhouse (ex Dex) in a couplel of weeks £15 on the door

There you go, a quick look reveals 6 club nights in Brixton within a couple of weeks of today, average price £19.

 

[teuchter]

I know you're mustard keen to try and personally attack me at every opportunity

This is rubbish by the way; I simply challenge you when you are posting nonsense, and your disengenious responses only fuel the desire to continue to not let you get away with it.

 

[Mrs Magpie]

Subjective, there was plenty of choice of bargain priced lagers, ciders, and ales in the Goose, and I personally never had a dodgy pint in there.

I remember it for the worst pie and mash I have ever eaten in my life. Never before have I seen pastry that so closely resembled hardboard in every respect and the claggy lumpy lukewarm gravy on top did little to disguise the fact. The pint that came with it was good enough though.

 

[editor]

You seem to think that putting stuff in capital letters makes it true.

There ARE lots of venues in Brixton that put on club nights and DO regularly charge such amounts.

I can go further and back up my capital letters with evidence though:

Electric Brixton this Friday £25

Jamm in a couple of weeks £15 main release

Plan B in a couple of weeks £15 main release

Brixton Academy £32 last weekend

414 in a couple of weeks £12 unless you turn up in the first hour

Brixton Clubhouse (ex Dex) in a couplel of weeks £15 on the door

There you go, a quick look reveals 6 club nights in Brixton within a couple of weeks of today, average price £19.

FFS. How can you be this stupid?

They're all GIGS with well known performers/bands and DJs, not club nights. And £12 is not £15, even if your highly confused, twisty world.