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Anelka's quenelle

phildwyer said:
Looks like someone's finding it inspirational:

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I ought to sue.
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yes phil because no one else would ever think of using the not at all famous characterisation of anti semitism...
 
andysays said:
I don't intend to go through this list, correcting the various distortions, exaggerations and down right mistakes.

If anyone else here wants to take the rantings of a vengeful and vindictive ex-partner seriously and take them as a genuine picture of me, then go ahead.

For the record, I did go to a private school - my parents decided to send me there when I was 11 and won a scholarship. It's safe to say that I didn't fit in, I hated it and I don't expect the school will be using me an example of a successful ex-pupil anytime soon.

And although I'm not in favour of private education and would like to see everyone able access the same standard of education, I've never engaged in any of the private/grammar/whatever school discussions here as I think my position might well be seen (possibly rightly) by many as hypocritical, or at least unhelpful.

Hopefully the derail is over now.
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Someone doing a Mozaz here, too much personal info
 
And although I'm not in favour of private education and would like to see everyone able access the same standard of education, I've never engaged in any of the private/grammar/whatever school discussions here as I think my position might well be seen (possibly rightly) by many as hypocritical, or at least unhelpful.
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Sure you're name isn't Diane?
 
Thought some of you might like to read my blog on Dieudonne.

An example of his anti-Semitic ranting:

"Zionism is dividing humanity. It is trying to rule by making us fight one another. They have organised all the wars and all the disorders on this planet. They were involved in the slave trade. We should know that 90 per cent of the ships that relocated the Africans to the West Indies belonged to Jews and the majority of slave traders were Jews. Obviously, today, Jews are not responsible for what happened but this is the reality and something we are not allowed to talk about."
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http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/steve-rose/quenelle-salute-antisemitism_b_4683503.html
 
rosecore said:
Thought some of you might like to read my blog on Dieudonne.

An example of his anti-Semitic ranting:


http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/steve-rose/quenelle-salute-antisemitism_b_4683503.html
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What a ridiculous article. It begins:

"If you believe Nicolas Anelka, his use of the 'quenelle' was a conscious and deliberate "up yours" to the French establishment in support of friend Dieudonné M'Bala M'Bala. But, for many in this country, the 'quenelle' was almost unheard of, and many still argue that it is an apolitical rejection of the state and Zionism. However, it is a ghastly reminder of modern anti-Semitism."

So the article's initial premise is that rejection of the state and Zionism is "apolitical." But that premise is obviously false. So the article is stupid.

Furthermore, the most pernicious anti-semitic element of the interview cited by the article is Diedonne's attempt to deny the unique status of the Holocaust. Such denials are indeed anti-semitic.

However I would note that on this thread, it is the opponents of Dieudonne who have denied the unique status of the Holocaust, through the cheap and absurd tactic of putting the massacres of Armenians at the same level.
 
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frogwoman said:
and there were jews in africa (and afaik in europe as well, not sure), and irish people who were also sold as slaves.
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This is true. However it is also a point emphasized by racists, who wish to downplay the role of anti-African racism in the Atlantic slave trade. From the eighteenth century on--in other words for the vast majority of its history--that trade was specifically and exclusively in dark-skinned people. As a result, skin color became an incredibly significant matter in north America, and for the same reason it remains an obsession there today.

Just as it's important to remember that the Holocaust was primarily directed against Jews (despite its simultaneous victimization of other groups), it's important to remember that the Atlantic slave trade specifically victimized Africans.
 
phildwyer said:
This is true. However it is also a point emphasized by racists, who wish to downplay the role of anti-African racism in the Atlantic slave trade. From the eighteenth century on--in other words for the vast majority of its history--that trade was specifically and exclusively in dark-skinned people. As a result, skin color became an incredibly significant matter in north America, and for the same reason it remains an obsession there today.

Just as it's important to remember that the Holocaust was primarily directed against Jews (despite its simultaneous victimization of other groups), it's important to remember that the Atlantic slave trade specifically victimized Africans.
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I know, but this is response to the alleged jewish role in the slave trade
 
I am by no means an expert in all of this; I'd never heard of this salute until I saw this tthread (in fact I don't hink I'd heard of Annelka eiher).

Anyway I was awake at 4-5am this morning and at around 4-30am there was a documentary on the BBC World Service about all this. A reporter went to Paris to find out whether people thought that Jourdonais guy (sp?) was really a racist. He seems to have a lot of support from immigrant blacks like himself who don't see the Front Nationale as racist. It was an interesting report and I got the impression this guy was - at best - a trolling idiot. If he isn't a racist, and it's hard to think what else could compel someone to poke fun at attitudes toward (or even the even itself) the holocaust.
 
If only footballers had more guts, they'd all show solidarity by doing a quenelle after every goal. To be honest I'd love it if they all did proper Nazi salutes before and after each match, that'd soon kill both the "real" Nazis and the PC brigade dead with one stone. Then we could get on with our lives. And maybe as a result we'd stop paying footballers so much money.

But sadly I fear it's not to be...people would much rather have a good moan and whinge and cover their backs while pointing their fingers.

And to anyone who's about to accuse me of being anti-Semitic, I used to know a Jewish girl who had absolutely cracking gazongas...never in a million years would I discriminate against those! I mean...her. I think Orthodox Jews look really cool, too. I love to see a Menorah in a window when I'm walking down the street. As for Israel, they're all right at heart, I think they should try and get on with their neighbours a bit better though, stop stealing all that land...it's like that film, "you, give him back his country...and you..."
 
theKitten said:
If only footballers had more guts, they'd all show solidarity by doing a quenelle after every goal. To be honest I'd love it if they all did proper Nazi salutes before and after each match, that'd soon kill both the "real" Nazis and the PC brigade dead with one stone. Then we could get on with our lives. And maybe as a result we'd stop paying footballers so much money.

But sadly I fear it's not to be...people would much rather have a good moan and whinge and cover their backs while pointing their fingers.

And to anyone who's about to accuse me of being anti-Semitic, I used to know a Jewish girl who had absolutely cracking gazongas...never in a million years would I discriminate against those! I mean...her. I think Orthodox Jews look really cool, too. I love to see a Menorah in a window when I'm walking down the street. As for Israel, they're all right at heart, I think they should try and get on with their neighbours a bit better though, stop stealing all that land...it's like that film, "you, give him back his country...and you..."
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Twat.
 
theKitten said:
If only footballers had more guts, they'd all show solidarity by doing a quenelle after every goal. To be honest I'd love it if they all did proper Nazi salutes before and after each match, that'd soon kill both the "real" Nazis and the PC brigade dead with one stone. Then we could get on with our lives. And maybe as a result we'd stop paying footballers so much money.

But sadly I fear it's not to be...people would much rather have a good moan and whinge and cover their backs while pointing their fingers.

And to anyone who's about to accuse me of being anti-Semitic, I used to know a Jewish girl who had absolutely cracking gazongas...never in a million years would I discriminate against those! I mean...her. I think Orthodox Jews look really cool, too. I love to see a Menorah in a window when I'm walking down the street. As for Israel, they're all right at heart, I think they should try and get on with their neighbours a bit better though, stop stealing all that land...it's like that film, "you, give him back his country...and you..."
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For the first (and hopefully only time on Urban) I say this to a poster: Take your blatantly racist horseshit to Stormfront and FUCK OFF.
 
theKitten said:
If only footballers had more guts, they'd all show solidarity by doing a quenelle after every goal. To be honest I'd love it if they all did proper Nazi salutes before and after each match, that'd soon kill both the "real" Nazis and the PC brigade dead with one stone. Then we could get on with our lives. And maybe as a result we'd stop paying footballers so much money.

But sadly I fear it's not to be...people would much rather have a good moan and whinge and cover their backs while pointing their fingers.

And to anyone who's about to accuse me of being anti-Semitic, I used to know a Jewish girl who had absolutely cracking gazongas...never in a million years would I discriminate against those! I mean...her. I think Orthodox Jews look really cool, too. I love to see a Menorah in a window when I'm walking down the street. As for Israel, they're all right at heart, I think they should try and get on with their neighbours a bit better though, stop stealing all that land...it's like that film, "you, give him back his country...and you..."
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You're no anti-Semite.

You're obviously just an ignorant dick.
 
DotCommunist said:
its literally impossible to cover your back, do a quenelle and point your fingers at the same time. Its asking for physio
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Not impossible if you're the living avatar of Kali or another multi-armed Hindu deity, though. You could even flick the Vs at someone while doing all that!
 
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