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Casually Red said:
and what sectarian view was that , exactly ?

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bearing in mind hes the poster whos been giving other posters dogs abuse because of the particular church they send their kids to. Among other things .
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Which has precisely nothing to do with calling him an "orange cunt".

Muddy the waters all you can. The fact is you're still a sectarian at the end of the day.
 
Casually Red said:
and what ? Orangism is a political position,extreme loyalism and religious intolerance, not a religious faith. He was brought up a catholic so im plainly not insulting his religious background . Some of the views he expresses here are on a par with loyalism . Thats whats being criticised..insulted actually . Due to him yet again coming onto a thread, giving it the big one and abusing myself repeatedly .

Your accusations of sectarianism are therefore a load of hysterical bollocks. As are that other fucking wankers.
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It's almost beautiful, how your attempts to escape the consequences of your own stupidity appear to be wrapping around your throat every time you open your gob. :)
 
andysays said:
I've stayed well out of this nonsense, but my irony detector has just gone into fucking overload with this one.

Arguing endlessly in circles with as many disingenous points as you can find really does seem to be your primary way of operating...
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Best way of avoiding the consequences of his own stupidity, though.
 
revol68 said:
I bet you get a right wee chub on every time you type "grass", imagining gruff men with balaclavas kicking in backdoors.
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So, he doesn't see himself as one of the "gruff men with balaclavas kicking in back doors"?

BTW, is this literal back doors of is "back doors" in euphemistic use here? ;)
 
Casually Red said:
anyways, I can see whats going here . A few snidey elements are blatantly trying to get me banned hence piling in and all the rest . Ill leave yis all to it . Best of British etc
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And there it is, the final recourse of the poster who has no manouvering room left, the accusations of being ganged up on! Why don't you go join the other proponents of that theory on twitter? I'm sure that detective_boy would love to see you.
 
ViolentPanda said:
German for "cyclone", so they may just be ahistoric twats who liked the name "cyclone sound" and wanted to jazz it up.

It's dubstep though, so they're probably cunts! :p
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there is an EBM band called "psyclon 9" named after zyklon-b and the lead singer got "ubermensch" tattooed on his chest :facepalm:

apparently it wasn't dodgy because they had a jewish drummer at the beginning :hmm:
 
LiamO said:
Actually it was the 1981 Hunger-Strikers whom Revol was referring to, specifically using sectarian terms to denigrate (and de-politicise) Republicanism.

Now I have seen Ariel Sharon called all sorts of things, from 'war criminal' to 'murderer' to 'cunt' on these boards in the last few days. I have also used these words to describe him myself.

However, if anyone called him one of a or a they would get very short shrift indeed on here.

Also, revol68 , given that you know CR is well aware that you were raised a catholic, you know that him calling you an 'orange cunt' refers to your cultish brand of anarcho-unionism, not your perceived religious label. You know this. You are well aware of this. (Having said that CR should have a little more cop-on than to use the phrase, knowing how it would be perceived on here).

You, of all people, know that this can be used as a political as well as a religious label. I have absolutely no doubt that you and your tiny anarcho-unionist grouplet will have used this very phrase yourself - in a political fashion - to distance yourself from the more knuckle-dragging elements of Orange-ism.

But don't let that stop you playing the victim when other posters, unaware of these nuances, perhaps understandably interpret the phrase as being a sectarian one.

I'm done here.
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actually it was N_igma I was referring to, with bog trotting fenian cunt, a poster who also gets drunk and posts sectarian abuse in a manner I don't find offensive.

also note that I'm half and half so Casually throwing the orange cunt line is a tad different.
 
revol68 said:
actually it was N_igma I was referring to, with bog trotting fenian cunt, a poster who also gets drunk and posts sectarian abuse in a manner I don't find offensive.

also note that I'm half and half so Casually throwing the orange cunt line is a tad different.
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your new decision to say 'i am an orangeman' and 'i am a republican' seems to be, to say the least, something of a departure from previous practice.
 
Pickman's model said:
your new decision to say 'i am an orangeman' and 'i am a republican' seems to be, to say the least, something of a departure from previous practice.
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or maybe the terms orange this or fenian that are insults that extend well beyond explicit political or religious lineage into almost racialised categories.
 
revol68 said:
or maybe the terms orange this or fenian that are insults that extend well beyond explicit political or religious lineage into almost racialised categories.
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maybe they are. but by saying you're both an orange cunt and a fenian cunt (or words to that effect) you suggest that at least in your case the words have no real meaning - perhaps we should settle for simply considering you a cunt.
 
His email includes 'zyklon beats' :facepalm:

Oh you have to be fucking joking :facepalm:

Although to be honest I suspect he's an idiot not a Nazi. Could be wrong though :hmm:
 
frogwoman said:
His email includes 'zyklon beats' :facepalm:

Oh you have to be fucking joking :facepalm:

Although to be honest I suspect he's an idiot not a Nazi. Could be wrong though :hmm:
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Oh dear - someone boot him up the arse.

There's a black metal group called Zyklon, w/Samoth from Emperor present. How "transgressive" of them etc. They've made the usual denials about their name - whatever, they're feckwits and deserve nowt but opprobrium.

Remember too that Throbbing Gristle did "Zyklon B Zombie" (the B-side to their "United" single) - I think Genesis P Orridge wrote for the lyrics on that one (the lyrics are online, as it goes). I wouldn't have T Gristle down as being politically dodgy on that front per se (certainly the late Peter Christopherson slammed bands/musicians for racist/fascist statments and for messing around w/fascist imagery a la Death In June etc), but I dunno, a little "transgression" goes a long, long way sometimes.
 
MellySingsDoom said:
Oh dear - someone boot him up the arse.

There's a black metal group called Zyklon, w/Samoth from Emperor present. How "transgressive" of them etc. They've made the usual denials about their name - whatever, they're feckwits and deserve nowt but opprobrium.

Remember too that Throbbing Gristle did "Zyklon B Zombie" (the B-side to their "United" single) - I think Genesis P Orridge wrote for the lyrics on that one (the lyrics are online, as it goes). I wouldn't have T Gristle down as being politically dodgy on that front per se (certainly the late Peter Christopherson slammed bands/musicians for racist/fascist statments and for messing around w/fascist imagery a la Death In June etc), but I dunno, a little "transgression" goes a long, long way sometimes.
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MellySingsDoom said:
Oh dear - someone boot him up the arse.

There's a black metal group called Zyklon, w/Samoth from Emperor present. How "transgressive" of them etc. They've made the usual denials about their name - whatever, they're feckwits and deserve nowt but opprobrium.

Remember too that Throbbing Gristle did "Zyklon B Zombie" (the B-side to their "United" single) - I think Genesis P Orridge wrote for the lyrics on that one (the lyrics are online, as it goes). I wouldn't have T Gristle down as being politically dodgy on that front per se (certainly the late Peter Christopherson slammed bands/musicians for racist/fascist statments and for messing around w/fascist imagery a la Death In June etc), but I dunno, a little "transgression" goes a long, long way sometimes.
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Yeah there's nothing wrong with doing songs about Nazism etc necessarily! Its just that you shouldn't make it look cool or like you're endorsing it. dunno. Edited: s lot of EMB bands 'play around ' with thst sort of imageryand misogyny etc but sometimes they actually mean it or are mates with people who do
 
  • Blood Must Be Shed / Wraths of Time split EP with Swordmaster (1996)
    1. "Mental Orgasm" – 2:54
    2. "Bloodsoil" – 2:25
    3. "Warfare" – 5:35
    4. "Wraths of Time" – 5:37
    5. "Upon Blood and Ashes" – 5:17
    6. "Conspiracy - Preview" – 2:56

Yeah, that's not dodgy at all :D
 
frogwoman said:
Yeah there's nothing wrong with doing songs about Nazism etc necessarily! Its just that you shouldn't make it look cool or like you're endorsing it. Maybe you should though, dunno.
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I think that context is needed, and the musician's own position made clear when touching upon this subject. T Gristle caused a stink when their Industrial Records logo was originally positively commented on for its aesthetic look, then slammed by a fair few people when they revealed that the photo was taken from Auschwitz. TG were engaged in what they called an "information war", where they explored subjects then deemed to be taboo/unsayable at the time, and they explored all sorts of subjects (and sounds, of course). I think that time has vindicated TG's position, and you can't really blame them for inspiring a whole bunch of groups who completely missed the point TG were trying to make, and simply tried to outdo each other in the offensiveness stakes (e.g Kevin Tomkins penning pro-Reynhard Heydrich lyrics in 1982), and you end up with feckwits like Streicher penning such numbers as "For Race And Nation" and "Aryan Stormtroopers".

I still think Gen's lyrics on "Zyklon..." err on the crap side, though.
 
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