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revol68 said:
Of course it is bigoted, that's the whole fun, anyway I can say cause I am one.

I don't have a problem with sectarian banter because they are plainly just daft eg I find N_igma's drunken rants about hun bastards pretty amusing, nor do I even take particular insult at Casually calling me an orange cunt but I do take issue with his pathetic claim that it isn't a sectarian insult.
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Its not fun. Its not banter. You just pretend it is. Ridiculous defence. CR called you an 'Orange Cunt' but you called him 'Bog trotting fenian cunt'. I'm fucked if I can see the funny side.
 
Anyway I'm not trying to say fenian isn't a sectarian insult, it is. Casually won't accept Orange cunt is a sectarian insult because as a catholic nationalist it's a bit iffy for him to be throwing it about. I on the other hand as a half and half get to deploy all the sectarian insults I want.
 
butchersapron said:
You can't be? It's of a piece with his right-wing anti-imperialism. It's a brother to O' Duffy and Spain.
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Now this really does prove that the term has lost all meaning.

If you call Casually Red "right-wing" you might as well say the same of Lenin.

Which come to think of it you probably do.
 
phildwyer said:
Say what you like about Buthersapron (and I've said most of it), he ain't stupid.
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I don't think I'd exactly call him stupid; but I'd call him inaccurate in what you've quoted.

Consider the definition of 'transcend':

tran·scend (tr
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v. tran·scend·ed, tran·scend·ing, tran·scends
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1. To pass beyond the limits of: emotions that transcend understanding.
2. To be greater than, as in intensity or power; surpass: love that transcends infatuation. See Synonyms at excel.
3. To exist above and independent of (material experience or the universe): "One never can see the thing in itself, because the mind does not transcend phenomena" (Hilaire Belloc).
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tran·scend
/trænˈsɛnd/ excel.
1.
to rise above or go beyond; overpass; exceed: to transcend the limits of thought; kindness transcends courtesy.
2.
to outdo or exceed in excellence, elevation, extent, degree, etc.; surpass; excel.
3.
Theology . (of the Deity) to be above and independent of (the universe, time, etc.).
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It's incorrect to say that the concept of transcendence presupposes the cessation of the prior state of affairs. Better to say the prior state is risen above, left behind. But the thing left behind or risen above, can continue to exist.
 
Johnny Canuck3 said:
What a concept! :eek:
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It's something that Brits, for all their passionate political posturing, just don't get: the importance of free speech.

They usually think it's just some American wishy-washy liberal guff, or that giving a platform to fascists is somehow pro-fascist etc.

It's because they don't read any American political theory (watch them scoff at the very idea) and thus do not understand that sunlight is the best disinfectant.
 
phildwyer said:
It's something that Brits, for all their passionate political posturing, just don't get: the importance of free speech.

They usually think it's just some American wishy-washy liberal guff, or that giving a platform to fascists is somehow pro-fascist etc.

It's because they don't read any American political theory (watch them scoff at the very idea) and thus do not understand that sunlight is the best disinfectant.
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Couldn't it enter via the back door, as it were, as a result of reading French political theory?
 
Johnny Canuck3 said:
It's incorrect to say that the concept of transcendence presupposes the cessation of the prior state of affairs. Better to say the prior state is risen above, left behind. But the thing left behind or risen above, can continue to exist.
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Yes. But it does not necessarily continue to exist.

Therefore I am right to say that Left/Right is both an obsolete dichotomy and one that has been transcended.
 
Johnny Canuck3 said:
I thought you said that it has always been a false dichotomy.
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Did you really?

That's very interesting. Because I most certainly said no such thing.

On the contrary, I noted that the Left/Right dichotomy was appropriate to the C19th and early C20th.

But it is no longer adequate to describe the politics of the C21st, as the example of Dieudonne proves.
 
phildwyer said:
Did you really?

That's very interesting. Because I most certainly said no such thing.

On the contrary, I noted that the Left/Right dichotomy was appropriate to the C19th and early C20th.

But it is no longer adequate to describe the politics of the C21st, as the example of Dieudonne proves.
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I think it was overly simplistic, even in the 20th century.
 
Humberto said:
CR called you an 'Orange Cunt' but you called him 'Bog trotting fenian cunt'. I'm fucked if I can see the funny side.
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Actually it was the 1981 Hunger-Strikers whom Revol was referring to, specifically using sectarian terms to denigrate (and de-politicise) Republicanism.

Now I have seen Ariel Sharon called all sorts of things, from 'war criminal' to 'murderer' to 'cunt' on these boards in the last few days. I have also used these words to describe him myself.

However, if anyone called him one of a
'rag-tag collection of Jewish cunts'
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or a
'hook-nosed Yid cunt'
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they would get very short shrift indeed on here.

Also, revol68 , given that you know CR is well aware that you were raised a catholic, you know that him calling you an 'orange cunt' refers to your cultish brand of anarcho-unionism, not your perceived religious label. You know this. You are well aware of this. (Having said that CR should have a little more cop-on than to use the phrase, knowing how it would be perceived on here).

You, of all people, know that this can be used as a political as well as a religious label. I have absolutely no doubt that you and your tiny anarcho-unionist grouplet will have used this very phrase yourself - in a political fashion - to distance yourself from the more knuckle-dragging elements of Orange-ism.

But don't let that stop you playing the victim when other posters, unaware of these nuances, perhaps understandably interpret the phrase as being a sectarian one.

I'm done here.
 
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on my way to work today saw some dubstep act called "zyklon sound" advertised on a poster :facepalm: :hmm:

are they just morons or something more sinister?
 
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phildwyer said:
It's probably Martin Bormann.
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what do you reckon tho?

is it all right for them to call themselves that now that it's 70 years or so after the war? this is a serious question btw, because I don't know, my gut feeling is that it's not all right at all, but other people might think that it's now perfectly fine. Or are they dickheads or something worse?
 
frogwoman said:
what do you reckon tho?

is it all right for them to call themselves that now that it's 70 years or so after the war? this is a serious question btw, because I don't know, my gut feeling is that it's not all right at all, but other people might think that it's now perfectly fine. Or are they dickheads or something worse?
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In the absence of any laws prohibiting reference to the Holocaust etc. they can pretty much do what they like. I would imagine it's done for effect, but then again they might be Nazi sympathisiers? Whatever, it marks them out as a bunch of wankers to be avoided.
 
brogdale said:
In the absence of any laws prohibiting reference to the Holocaust etc. they can pretty much do what they like. I would imagine it's done for effect, but then again they might be Nazi sympathisiers? Whatever, it marks them out as a bunch of wankers to be avoided.
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cheers, good to know im not just being sensitive for no reason.
 
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