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An ode to manual transmission cars

The last few posts have reminded me of this jewel…

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I have always owned manual cars. But have driven many autos.
Of course autos are much easier, I’d have one especially now as I’m getting older and my left knee sounds akin to a cheese grater.
Autos have come a long way since the DAF 44.
 
I've never driven an automatic in 25 years of driving , I'll be sad to see the end of the manual.

I drove my mate's Merc from Calais to Berlin and back to Calais, his car but he won't drive abroad. Diesel auto. Fucking awful. You had to send it a telegram indicating that you wanted to overtake. :rolleyes:
 
What I don’t get is those who like racing cars and motor sports in general and can afford one, preferring an automatic 911 or similar performance brand to its manual counterpart simply because the automatic can complete a lap on Nurburgring faster.

Car racing is not about pure speed but driving skills and overcoming challenges. Which is why the concept of a fully automatic F1 or rally car is an abomination. If you’re enough a fanatic to splash 100k on a racing supercar that’s not even particularly comfortable for everyday use, then getting an automatic model is fucking madness imo.

In fact, I think it’s a travesty that hyper performance cars even offer an automatic option. If you like racing so much you’re prepared to forego a radio or air conditioning to extract the maximum performance possible, then get a manual ffs.
 
What I don’t get is those who like racing cars and motor sports in general and can afford one, preferring an automatic 911 or similar performance brand to its manual counterpart simply because the automatic can complete a lap on Nurburgring faster.

Car racing is not about pure speed but driving skills and overcoming challenges. Which is why the concept of a fully automatic F1 or rally car is an abomination. If you’re enough a fanatic to splash 100k on a racing supercar that’s not even particularly comfortable for everyday use, then getting an automatic model is fucking madness imo.

In fact, I think it’s a travesty that hyper performance cars even offer an automatic option. If you like racing so much you’re prepared to forego a radio or air conditioning to extract the maximum performance possible, then get a manual ffs.
Racing is about winning. You win in the fastest car.
 
I've started a car with the starting handle, how many on here have?
Not a car, but a Bedford HA van, for the lols to see if we could do it. These were still in daily use when I started driving for BT and I was issued two in my time, before some Ital derived shit replaced them.
 
Racing is about winning. You win in the fastest car.
In an actual competition of course, but I’m taking about Joe Public buying purely performance models for their own enjoyment. Even if you take your car to a race track you’re still competing against yourself. If I could afford a 911 GT3 and did a brilliant lap on a racetrack, I couldn’t give any less of a shit if a Fast and Furious wannabe beat my time with a NO2 boosted Supra, anymore than Lewis Hamilton would be concerned about a rocket powered drag car reaching a higher speed than him on a runway.

To put it in another way, if you’re truly an admirer of the state of the art design and engineering prowess that goes into producing a top of the range Ferrari, you wouldn’t for a second think an overpowered monster that achieves a higher top speed on a straight but can’t corner for shit is in any way the better car.

‘My car has a top speed higher than yours’ is a premise that belongs in a primary school playground, and has zero validity in any serious car racing discussion. If you’re so obsessed with the art of top motor vehicle performance to sacrifice air conditioning or a radio, getting an auto of any given model you fancy if a manual option is available is a travesty imo.
 
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this american only ever owned saturns b/c i got 35 or better mpg on the highway and they started every time.
#notallamericans
But presumably that figure is for the tiny weeny little gallons you get over there rather that the magnificent voluminous gallons we enjoy?
 
In an actual competition of course, but I’m taking about Joe Public buying purely performance models for their own enjoyment. Even if you take your car to a race track you’re still competing against yourself. If I could afford a 911 GT3 and did a brilliant lap on a racetrack, I couldn’t give any less of a shit if a Fast and Furious wannabe beat my time with a NO2 boosted Supra, anymore than Lewis Hamilton would be concerned about a rocket powered drag car reaching a higher speed than him on a runway.

To put it in another way, if you’re truly an admirer of the state of the art design and engineering prowess that goes into producing a top of the range Ferrari, you wouldn’t for a second think an overpowered monster that achieves a higher top speed on a straight but can’t corner for shit is in any way the better car.

‘My car has a top speed higher than yours’ is a premise that belongs in a primary school playground, and has zero validity in any serious car racing discussion. If you’re so obsessed with the art of top motor vehicle performance to sacrifice air conditioning or a radio, getting an auto of any given model you fancy if a manual option is available is a travesty imo.
So we’re talking about driving, not racing.

The latter you want the fastest option. The former, a Caterham 7 ;) :cool:
 
On the subject of performance car racing transmission, whatever happened to the paddle gear shift option that for a while felt like was going to be a thing? When I was researching the only car I ended up buying new, about 15 years ago, I am sure I remember paddle shift transmission available on the odd mundane affordable mid market model. As a compromise, if I were in the market for a Lamborghini-level car, I could let the manual transmission go if I was offered an F1-style paddle shift one.
 
On the subject of performance car racing transmission, whatever happened to the paddle gear shift option that for a while felt like was going to be a thing? When I was researching the only car I ended up buying new, about 15 years ago, I am sure I remember paddle shift transmission available on the odd mundane affordable mid market model. As a compromise, if I were in the market for a Lamborghini-level car, I could let the manual transmission go if I was offered an F1-style paddle shift one.
They all have them now :confused:
 
So we’re talking about driving, not racing.

The latter you want the fastest option. The former, a Caterham 7 ;) :cool:
I haven’t the slightest interest in racing whether legally on tracks or illegally on public roads. I’m jus trying to put myself in the mindset of someone who not just buys a 911, but chooses the one one model that’s highly impractical for use outside of a racing environment.

There’s a GT3 in Chelsea near where I work. It’s not even visually pleasing on account of having a big fuck off spoiler at the back. I don’t know what transmission options the GT3 comes with, but AFAIAC an automatic transmission GT3 that’s fucking useless for anything other than track days is a travesty.
 
I've never driven an automatic in 25 years of driving , I'll be sad to see the end of the manual.

This. Though 29 years driving.

I'm sure autos are great for those who like them. Just don't call me a twat because I know how to change gear without clunking them and because I never over-rev or under-rev my engine. It's called being a competent driver. Gear changing isn't rocket science. And just because I can do it doesn't mean I think I'm better than some fancy technicians in Japan and Germany. Though it does mean I think people who can't do this are useless twats.

Disclaimer. I've had a shit day and felt like calling someone a twat. Don't take it personally.

Though they could remove that stupid shift stick prompter you seem to get in all new cars these days. Seriously. If you need that, you're a twat who really should be driving an auto.
 
I haven’t the slightest interest in racing whether legally on tracks or illegally on public roads. I’m jus trying to put myself in the mindset of someone who not just buys a 911, but chooses the one one model that’s highly impractical for use outside of a racing environment.

There’s a GT3 in Chelsea near where I work. It’s not even visually pleasing on account of having a big fuck off spoiler at the back. I don’t know what transmission options the GT3 comes with, but AFAIAC an automatic transmission GT3 that’s fucking useless for anything other than track days is a travesty.
Oh anyone who buys one of those track specials and drives it on a road - never mind in a city - is a bellend by definition :D
 
When I was learning to drive, gear changing was a nightmare , just couldn't master it for ages (5 fails are proof of that) but one day , after many, many lessons/tests , it just clicked , now I can't imagine why it was so difficult then 🤣
 
Just listen to the crazy frog and that tells you what you need to know about gear changes ..

mnnnmm mannmm brp brrp naaaaaaaaaaaa naaaaaaaaaa naaaaaaaaa :)
 
By coincidence, I am just watching this...their words "the sexiest brand", a beautiful car, a true drivers car, South African import and bought for only £15,000. The problem with it is it's an automatic. At the moment, they are considering converting it to manual at a cost of about £5000!
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