An important question
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krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
Tell our enemies that they may take our lives, but they'll never take...
OUR FREEDOM !!!
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spanglechick
High Empress of Dressing Up
Cyan Killer
SirDocJudgeDukeKing
I love how all of you beleive im racist, especially when Scotland is a very racist country so you've got a good point, people even fight over football its that pathetic, but lets not get off the subject.
I beleive that several previous posts have put me in the position where im judged before understood, it comes as no surprise that most people think like this. In any given conversation or circumstance I would do the same. And given my own personal flaw, I speak before I think, and all too often.
For those who wish to know what kind of person I am, well firstly. Im 100% Anti-racism, if I seen anyone gettin beat up or abused in anyway then I would immediately react and get involved to protect the innocent, I don't start fights, I don't manipulate people/friends/family to get what I want or to start a fight, My doctor for 14-16 years was Pakistan/indian. Unlike you, the community of these forums would rather talk about problems that happen in this world and spread the word rather than going out and preventing it/them personally, because although your doing the just thing of spreadin the word, your only just spreading more hate. So you can just shut the fuck up.
I have absolutely no problem with polish people, well not all of them... but I can understand that we need them just as much as they need us. And at the end of the day we're all the same whether we're asian, african/indian blah blah you know what I mean, what I am tryin to put forward as an important topic is this:
Communication
A better oppertunity/chance in percentage to have relationships so that we can have babies together
Helping these people speak our language, therefore we can allow friendships to occur than the same typical talk behind eachothers back routine and spread more hate, which leads to something more physical. And when it comes to people who don't speak our language, that hate is never extinguished.
In the 60's, 70's 80's Pakistanian people and people from india started working as our doctors, shopowners, everything. Despite everything britain has done to Africa and Black people which would give them the incentive to DESTROY US! Because our united countries, in my eyes does not deserve saving! All the slaves, rape victims and anyone else who was judged due to racism would probably say the same, therefore the hate spreads like wildfire
(Previous quote) We may be a small and very powerful country but that doesn't defeat the purpose that at any given moment we could be annhialated from within or outside these walls. Jeez, that does make me sound bad. But its fact. Our goverment gives us the incentive to move forward as a country, but there are alot of people who need to do this to make a difference. It can't just be your JOB to make you do it. It has to be done straight away and it also has to be intuitive, because if it doesn't happen, then the chances of civil war is more likely to happen!
Another small example. A polish person gets raped, killed. Who are they going to talk to!? Because its certainly not going to be us, or in the english language. This means that the hate stays there for it to eventually cause harm to someone who doesn't take retaliation lightly and boom, fights start, word travels, here comes a war.
What happens when we still have polish people in our country when we can't talk to them and we've run out of resources... umm. You'd have to be stupid not to understand the consequences.
The only thing I am trying to make aware is that we need to befriend these people who have came from a very unwealthy country, quickly.
I beleive that several previous posts have put me in the position where im judged before understood, it comes as no surprise that most people think like this. In any given conversation or circumstance I would do the same. And given my own personal flaw, I speak before I think, and all too often.
For those who wish to know what kind of person I am, well firstly. Im 100% Anti-racism, if I seen anyone gettin beat up or abused in anyway then I would immediately react and get involved to protect the innocent, I don't start fights, I don't manipulate people/friends/family to get what I want or to start a fight, My doctor for 14-16 years was Pakistan/indian. Unlike you, the community of these forums would rather talk about problems that happen in this world and spread the word rather than going out and preventing it/them personally, because although your doing the just thing of spreadin the word, your only just spreading more hate. So you can just shut the fuck up.
I have absolutely no problem with polish people, well not all of them... but I can understand that we need them just as much as they need us. And at the end of the day we're all the same whether we're asian, african/indian blah blah you know what I mean, what I am tryin to put forward as an important topic is this:
Communication
A better oppertunity/chance in percentage to have relationships so that we can have babies together
Helping these people speak our language, therefore we can allow friendships to occur than the same typical talk behind eachothers back routine and spread more hate, which leads to something more physical. And when it comes to people who don't speak our language, that hate is never extinguished.
In the 60's, 70's 80's Pakistanian people and people from india started working as our doctors, shopowners, everything. Despite everything britain has done to Africa and Black people which would give them the incentive to DESTROY US! Because our united countries, in my eyes does not deserve saving! All the slaves, rape victims and anyone else who was judged due to racism would probably say the same, therefore the hate spreads like wildfire
(Previous quote) We may be a small and very powerful country but that doesn't defeat the purpose that at any given moment we could be annhialated from within or outside these walls. Jeez, that does make me sound bad. But its fact. Our goverment gives us the incentive to move forward as a country, but there are alot of people who need to do this to make a difference. It can't just be your JOB to make you do it. It has to be done straight away and it also has to be intuitive, because if it doesn't happen, then the chances of civil war is more likely to happen!
Another small example. A polish person gets raped, killed. Who are they going to talk to!? Because its certainly not going to be us, or in the english language. This means that the hate stays there for it to eventually cause harm to someone who doesn't take retaliation lightly and boom, fights start, word travels, here comes a war.
What happens when we still have polish people in our country when we can't talk to them and we've run out of resources... umm. You'd have to be stupid not to understand the consequences.
The only thing I am trying to make aware is that we need to befriend these people who have came from a very unwealthy country, quickly.
Onket
Je suis [CONTENT REMOVED]
To be fair to the lad, he's stuck it right in the middle there.
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
Lovely but why do you think they're about to take over?
geminisnake
a complex mass of conflicting ideas
Maybe because it seems you can only get a job if you don't speak english, maybe because there are an awful lot of eastern europeans who don't mingle(plenty that do but a lot who don't), maybe because the shops are changing what they sell to suit the ees, maybe because it looks like locals aren't getting housing because of 'incomers'. My daughter was telling me last night the local college has had to employ a polish speaker for the nursery.
My points are not something I'm worried about tbh but they are things I have noticed in the small local town over the last year or so which will imo piss a lot of locals off.
Maidmarian
Stubborn Socialist
Racist babble. ^^^^^^
ill-informed
passive aggressive master
I don't live in Scotland anymore and it's great not to be subjected to almost constant racism by narrow minded scots who for some reason think they're better than everyone else.
But why anyone would want to go to livingstone is beyond me, i worked there for a year and was very relieved to get posted to east Lothian, it was like a breath of fresh air. But anyway i just want to say that ganging up on this poor kid in this self righteous way is a bit unbecoming.
But why anyone would want to go to livingstone is beyond me, i worked there for a year and was very relieved to get posted to east Lothian, it was like a breath of fresh air. But anyway i just want to say that ganging up on this poor kid in this self righteous way is a bit unbecoming.
weepiper
I fix the machines that fight climate change
it's not. Gem's not like that. Read it again.
FWIW one of my middle boy's best mates at nursery when we lived in Kelso was a Polish kid who couldn't speak a word of English before he started there.
Maidmarian
Stubborn Socialist
I have & it is.
The Groke
hot hail/Paging Dr. Beat
Conversation probably isn't high on the priority list for a dead Pole.
The Groke
hot hail/Paging Dr. Beat
On the other other hand, once the desecrated Polish corpses start turning up in rural Scotland, I am sure the Old Bill will have some ideas on who to talk to after reading this thread.
geminisnake
a complex mass of conflicting ideas
No, FACT love. I live here you don't, so please don't presume to know what it is like here. Apart from the first & last maybe the rest ARE FACTS and from what I hear from many locals the first and last are how 'they' as locals see it.
Like I said I'm not worried coz I think the town needs new blood in it. I prefer the incomers to the locals
DexterTCN
Troy and Abed in the morning
Depends when you were here tbh. Livvy is/was an overspill town which took in people from Glasgow, Edinburgh, Dundee and all over. There was about 20 years of 'settling in' when the place was a bit like...hell.
It's actually a nice chill place now with very little trouble ime because for a few generations people have know each other more and there are larger communities. Amongst hundreds of other factors like fairly decent employment, good public services - awesome kids parks and a great bus service/trains into EdinGlas - Muireston was the most expensive place to buy a house a while back, West Lothian Council was recently (2006?) named UK Council of the Year (I think).
The influx of East Europeans, Africans, SE Asians has been absolutely massive, it's a sea change. If there is trouble it's most likely to be amongst the younger ones. I've not seen any though but I could see it in any area. They seem like nice people to me.
And it's Livingston.
ill-informed
passive aggressive master
I thought i was spelling it wrong, i worked there in '96, although i was living in edinburgh. And there was no immigrants then, except me of course.
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
I'm an immigrant. So is the other half. Is everyone ready for our takeover?
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
They'll be no tea in the new utopia. You'll have infusions and like it.
I'm sorry, but in essence I'm in agreement with the racist babble comment, even if I don't think it's malicious or particularly intended? Why is it unreasonable for someone to speak their own language or offer employment to those with the relevant linguistic credentials? Or reaching out to someone in their own language at a nursery - how terrible to teach them from an early age or offer things in shops that people are demanding.
Maybe because I'm a Londoner, but these sound ridiculously familiar small town complaints that are levelled at one immigrant community after another. It's a load of insecure, insular balls in the main.
Fuck the locals who get 'pissed off' about things like that frankly. They're being simpleton knuckleheads and no excuses should be made for them.
ill-informed
passive aggressive master
I've been brought up in Leicester which is very multicultural and always has been. I personally love it, i spent a lot of my time in african and indian areas that no other white person would venture into, well not many anyway, and i think in part it inspired me to travel when i was younger and gave me an outlook on life that wasn't as narrow minded as most peoples. I wouldn't say i'm not at all racist though, but i'm aware of it and i think it's one of our lessons in life to try and overcome it.
geminisnake
a complex mass of conflicting ideas
It's not unreasonable to speak your own language but if you go to another country to live is it not polite to at least learn some basics?? I do that if I'm going on holiday somewhere! If I moved to Germany I wouldn't expect signs to be in english or for people to speak english to me.
The employment problem round here is that locals can't get farm work and struggle to get factory work, nothing to do with credentials other than the employers can pay less and get more work out of the foriegn youngsters coz they aren't doing this long term. There is very little else. I'm not going to explain all this in detail because truly I can't be bothered. My OP was pointing out reasons why the locals may be pissed off.
If jobs and housing are going to 'incomers' in many areas of the country the locals will get upset. Yes, it's small town mentality but the nearest town has that in abundance I'm afraid.
I'm willing to bet that the average Eastern European migrant in Blighty would tend to speak more 'basic' English that say, the average British migrant would manage of the local language in France, Spain or Germany. The fact that folks can boast their own signs, shops and community shouldn't really be a huge concern - it's hardly as though we don't export our language, shops or tend to stick together abroad.
I've heard the reasons why 'local' people get upset about incomers plenty of times, including to my family. That doesn't mean that I don't think they're being insular racists with unjustified chips on their shoulders most of the time though.
I've heard the reasons why 'local' people get upset about incomers plenty of times, including to my family. That doesn't mean that I don't think they're being insular racists with unjustified chips on their shoulders most of the time though.
Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
i have talked to polish people and they have talked to me . In fact i got rather drunk on tuesday night with a bunch of them and stayed in their spare room . I saw no evidence of an imminent attack and im usually good at spotting that kind of thing . I have 2 more living next door , Chris and Barbara , lovely couple . I will ply them with alcohol one of these evenings and try and see do they let anything slip with some cleverly timed questions . Because now you come to mention it Im quite sure some of the baddies in the James Bond films had accents quite like theirs ,so you never know . You may not be a raving xenophobic fuckwit afterall .
