Americans: why don't you use kettles?

[danny la rouge]

That is a broiler pan. A grill pan goes on top of the stove and is used to grill foods much as you'd grill food outdoors. Our names are perfectly simple and logical: you fry with a fry pan, you grill with a grill pan, you sauté with a sauté pan, and you broil with a broil pan.

I fry with a frying pan, grill with a grill (but place the food under the grill on a grill pan), toast with a toaster, and barbecue on a barbecue (though I don't do that very often because i don't see the attraction, though I sometimes bow to family pressure. It's always a disappointment, though).

Since sautéing is just French for shallow frying, I do that in a frying pan too.

I don't deep fry anything, so I don't have a deep fryer (or as old people call them, chip pans).

 

[danny la rouge]

No it isn't. There's no mash. And you have to cook the sausages with the pudding so they are embedded in it. It's not just sausages with Yorkshire pudding.

Think of it as pilchard puff, but with sausages instead of pilchards, gosub

 

[danny la rouge]

I did explain

it's actually Americans who all love the Royal Family, sadly.

Yeah, *after* they had a war so they don't have to be ruled by them. You can't have it both ways.

 

[Miss Caphat]

I hold my breath as I walk past them. It smells deeply wrong and not like food at all - almost like some chemical effluent of uncertain provenance giving off fumes.

It seems there is no clear consensus on what the smell actually is - some people say it is the cheap bread, some say preservative slime the meats come packaged in, others old dressing and sweaty staff. Who knows. But whatever it is, it is vile. I suspect it is probably the smell of soylent green being cooked.

Funnily enough, I never eat anything from Subway.

If you watch them, they put some things in the oven either in (oven proof) paper trays or parchment paper - I feel like that's actually the smell that permeates everything. I mean, Subway's ok once in a while and at least you can get healthier stuff there (supposedly) but yeah that smell is really off-putting.

 

[Miss Caphat]

How do you shave a steak Miss Caphat ?

nah, just kidding...I'm not sure how they do it...it's sliced pretty thin though, for steak.

 

[equationgirl]

american chocolatiers are patent trolling, wtf. First the creme eggs stops using cadburies chocolate and now this. This is chocolate armaggedon

I doubt any patents are still in force for things like creme eggs, they've been around longer than a patent (if it was granted) would last.

 

[Spymaster]

... and barbecue on a barbecue (though I don't do that very often because i don't see the attraction, though I sometimes bow to family pressure. It's always a disappointment, though).

I can thoroughly understand why a vegetarian would be ambivalent about barbecues. What do you put on when you do them?

 

[danny la rouge]

I can thoroughly understand why a vegetarian would be ambivalent about barbecues. What do you put on when you do them?

Corn on the cob and houlloumi.

 

[farmerbarleymow]

If you watch them, they put some things in the oven either in (oven proof) paper trays or parchment paper - I feel like that's actually the smell that permeates everything. I mean, Subway's ok once in a while and at least you can get healthier stuff there (supposedly) but yeah that smell is really off-putting.

It can't be the paper, as paper just can't smell that vile. Unless it is the crap oozing from the sandwiches onto the paper which is then being vapourised. It has to be something to do with the food, as it smells really chemically and unpleasant. Unless the staff are also doing unspeakable things to the food too, which in combination produces that horrible miasma.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

Video of Pat's in Philly:



Cheese whiz at 1:10. I never went to Geno's.

As you can see the slices of steak have clearly not been chopped from a larger piece of meat with a sharp bladed instrument, but delicately shaved, probably with a hot towel afterwards. I mean given the whole environment you can't imagine anything as crude as chopping going on.

 

[fishfinger]

Video of Pat's in Philly:



Cheese whiz at 1:10. I never went to Geno's.

As you can see the slices of steak have clearly not been chopped from a larger piece of meat with a sharp bladed instrument, but delicately shaved, probably with a hot towel afterwards. I mean given the whole environment you can't imagine anything as crude as chopping going on.

"The real cheese whiz, not the imitation cheese whiz"

Looks good

 

[Vintage Paw]

Re. separate grill section of the cooker:

That middle door - that's the grill section. My cooker is all gas, so there's no grilling facility in the oven at the bottom, that's just for roasting, baking, etc. The grill compartment has a strip of gas burners across the top, and you put your food on the grill pan, and place it directly underneath the flame, leaving the door open so you can see what's going on and turn the food as needed. The fats/any wayward cheese/etc drip down through the holes in the grille into the grill pan. The grill pan comes with the cooker, you don't need to buy them as a separate item, although you can buy replacements should yours become so encrusted with grease that even the hardiest of cilit bangs can't shift it.

Some older cookers had the grill section above the hob like this (takeaway carton optional):

although I'm unsure in this case it appears to also have a second grill compartment above the oven. It could be it was just used for warming plates.

The grill compartment does, incidentally, make an excellent plate warmer while your oven is on (and the grill isn't).

A person using a grill, earlier:

(it would appear some grill pans come without a handle, which seems dangerous and awkward, but perhaps posh people like to live life on the edge, idk)

A close-up of a grill, currently not being used:

 

[maomao]

You can still get eye-level grills. Don't know why you don't see them so often these days. I hate kneeling down to get the toast. Especially when toasting 4 bagel halves when they need to be rotated for an even brown.

 

[Vintage Paw]

Do you have to kneel? I find a gentle bend at the hip for a moment suffices. I'm 5'6".

 

[danny la rouge]

You can still get eye-level grills. Don't know why you don't see them so often these days. I hate kneeling down to get the toast. Especially when toasting 4 bagel halves when they need to be rotated for an even brown.

Eye-level grills.

 

[Vintage Paw]

I believe if you get a fancy posh kitchen all designed and fitted and so on (mine is about 30 years old, maybe more, and is in no way either 'designed' nor 'fitted') you can get eye level grills installed separate to your cooker/oven/hob. I've seen pictures in aspirational magazines and the like.

 

[maomao]

Do you have to kneel? I find a gentle bend at the hip for a moment suffices. I'm 5'6".

I'm 6'7" and have lumbar problems. It's a full proposal style kneel down for me. I'd settle for nipple-level.

 

[maomao]

Eye-level grills.

I can confirm that that is perfect music for coming through Poplar on the DLR but I don't get your point.

 

[danny la rouge]

I can confirm that that is perfect music for coming through Poplar on the DLR but I don't get yourpo int.

And that's why you'll never be good at crosswords.

 

[maomao]

And that's why you'll never be good at crosswords.

It's true, I'm shit at crosswords. I got 3 answers in the Viz one once and thought I'd cracked it but nothing since.

 

[Vintage Paw]

Since I've never had a built-in fitted kitchen type thing, I'm reading up about built-in ovens. It seems they tend to come with the grill in the oven itself. That's interesting. I wonder, can you be baking/roasting AND grilling at the same time? There are times I want to do that!

 

[maomao]

I plead childhood trauma though. On Sunday afternoons my dad would announce that he and my mother would do a Guardian crossword. Mum would flap about with dictionaries as my dad read out the clues dressed in his raggedy dressing gown that always exposed his balls to the whole family, shouting at any child who dared to disturb him. I've always felt they were a perverse and selfish pursuit because of this

 

[gosub]

I believe if you get a fancy posh kitchen all designed and fitted and so on (mine is about 30 years old, maybe more, and is in no way either 'designed' nor 'fitted') you can get eye level grills installed separate to your cooker/oven/hob. I've seen pictures in aspirational magazines and the like.

my mum has an eye level grill. I fitted the kitchen. Is a pain in the arse as shes 5'3 so anybody using the kitchen its a neck level grill.

 

[spanglechick]

I had a Philly cheese steak sandwich from reading terminus market (?) in Philadelphia. It was running with grease and even I (compulsive overeater) could only manage half. Tasty, though.

 

[Spymaster]

Corn on the cob and houlloumi.

Do you butter the corn?

 

[danny la rouge]

Do you butter the corn?

Yes.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

Reading Terminal Market is an amazing place, like Borough Market x100 but without the pointless hipster stalls (or at least it used to be, it may have them now).

When my mum and sister came over to visit, they went there and just wandered around pointing at prawns and saying "is that a prawn? really? it's so big! it's like some sort of lobster!"

 

[FridgeMagnet]

They also got wasted on Long Island Iced Teas in the hotel bar because they didn't realise that mixed drinks in the US actually contain proper measures rather than weaselly little fractional ones, so a Long Island Iced Tea has four decent shots in it.

They don't read Urban, I'm safe here.

 

[Spymaster]

Yes.

On the bbq, or marinade stylee?

 

[danny la rouge]

On the bbq, or marinade stylee?

To serve.