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Alex Salmond accused (and then cleared) of sexual misconduct.

Wrote this earlier in the thread. it reflects my current attitude:

"Just re-read the thread and it appears quite well balanced, with only Sas' reacting in disbelief that Salmond might be an harasser. my concern related to a sense of disappointment because a noted voice of dissent has maybe sullied every dissenting voice. i felt the same over the Sheridan situation, although of course that was far more serious in terms of proportion and damage to the left.

It seems that there are still an abundance of blokes who need to get it into their heads that their dicks cannot be an appropriate guide for behaviour towards women. Full stop."
Well, I asked you to come up with a form of words that acknowledged Salmond's behaviour and you did. Ditto Sheridan. Didn't quite get into Salmond as 'sex pest', but fair play. But if this is your attitude towards the 2 key players, it poses the question even more as to why you will be supporting them. As mentioned throughout the thread, Alba is a one man revenge mission. If Salmond hadn't been called out for his behaviour and ultimately gone through the courts, do you thing for one minute Alba would exist? And the addition of Sheridan throws in another selfish shit without a comradely bone in his body. Another career that descended into dishonesty, self interest and revenge.
 
Well, I asked you to come up with a form of words that acknowledged Salmond's behaviour and you did. Ditto Sheridan. Didn't quite get into Salmond as 'sex pest', but fair play. But if this is your attitude towards the 2 key players, it poses the question even more as to why you will be supporting them. As mentioned throughout the thread, Alba is a one man revenge mission. If Salmond hadn't been called out for his behaviour and ultimately gone through the courts, do you thing for one minute Alba would exist? And the addition of Sheridan throws in another selfish shit without a comradely bone in his body. Another career that descended into dishonesty, self interest and revenge.
 
Its a tactical vote. i'm not a nationalist, so how could it be anything other? my list vote for Alba will be cast with the intention of contributing to the 'supermajority' concept, which hopes, if successful, to assert pressure upon the SNP government (assuming they win) in Holyrood. i like the idea of kicking the Tory Party with another Independence referendum, this time one which is successful. Your earlier accusation of sophistry (ie an attempt to deceive) was ridiculous btw. What benefit would there be from trying to deceive any Urbanite? i can only assume you were inebriated when you wrote it. i don't engage in sophistry, i simply, when asked (and sometimes when not asked), explain things as i see them. You may not like what you read (although its clear enough from your 'sexpest' remark that you sloppily fail to read what is relevant anyway) but, you may be assured that it is genuine enough.
 
Apologies, i seem to have messed up the posting procedure, hopefully it won't cause confusion
 
Thing is, I don't think this comparison holds up. Like, to compare with Labour, the party I know most about, I don't support Labour or advocate that anyone else should, but I can understand why someone would hate Keir Starmer and still support them, because the party is more than Starmer, it's also the party that most British trade unions are affiliated to, the party that for better or for worse is in power across a lot of the country, and so on. Similarly with the SNP, I can imagine that someone might hate Sturgeon or whoever and still support the SNP, because if you subtracted Sturgeon from the SNP there'd still be a lot of stuff left. With Alba, if you removed Salmond from Alba what would you have left? Tommy Sheridan and some homophobic conspiracy theories? Like, I don't see where the "pros" are to balance out the massive, massive "cons" on the Alba balance sheet.

Anyway, I thought this was kind of entertaining in a bleak kind of way: ALBA draws a line


For one thing, it's obviously a massive, massive stretch to claim that describing Alba as "extremists" is somehow criminal behaviour that should be reported to the police, but I was mostly tickled by the way that they claim a workshop "where we’ll single out the most anti-LGBT candidates in this election" must be a targeted threat directed at them. It sort of seems like... I believe "telling on yourself" is the currently popular phrase?
This is a fair enough challenge hitmouse. Alba being a new formation have no history or tradition. In the absence of the key players like MacAskill Salmond Sheridan there would be little reason for any of Scotland's nationalists to support them long term. But i don't support them politically in any event. i have the criticisms of Nationalism that most Urbanite's appear to share. i'm simply lending my vote as a tactical measure.
 
Some polling data - sleepy cuddles not breaking through with voters

Net approval for leaders
  • Sturgeon (SNP-G/EFA): +22
  • Sarwar (LAB-S&D): +2
  • Starmer (LAB-S&D): -9
  • Slater (SGP-G/EFA): -14
  • Rennie (LDEM-RE): -16
  • Ross (CON-ECR): -28
  • Johnson (CON-ECR): -44
  • Salmond (ALBA-*): -72
Net approval for parties
  • SNP-G/EFA: +13
  • SGP-G/EFA: -4
  • LAB-S&D: -10
  • LDEM-RE: -27
  • CON-ECR: -37
  • REFORM~NI: -56
  • ALBA-*: -64
 
Plenty of don't know/meh's?
New Scottish Labour leader Anas Sarwar had yet to make a big breakthrough, but was largely seen as inoffensive.
“He seems like a nice guy, but a bit dull.” “I think he’s quite clear and quite good. He’s asking the right questions. He’s got potential.”
“He comes across as quite calm and level-headed. The Labour party went a bit extreme in the last few years, so someone like that is a calming influence.”
“I’ve noticed he’s changing tack to a certain extent. He’s probably trying to woo back ex-Labour supporters. He’s shying away from just attacking independence at every opportunity, which is what the Tories are doing.”
Basically not really that disliked by anyone (about -5 for Tory voters, and -12 for SNP voters)
 


pertinent to the thread


He has changed already and the sex pest now supports the sexual harrasser!!

After years of telling us in 2016 vote SNP 1st and Squalidarity 2nb one, then vote SNP 1st and 2nd, not now, oh no SNP 1ST and Alba 2nd.. Creepy loathsome little man.
 
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In fairness I don't think political marketeers have ever had the opportunity to assess the efficacy of opaque and solipsistic wordplay in a 1970s supermarket own-brand font, for the electorate of the 2020s.

It looks like a local am-dram re-staging of an obscure Arnold Wesker play. Free entry to a raffle for a case of Blue Nun with every ticket sold.
 
Keep seeing these polls dissing Alba but living in the NE and driving around between Angus and Aberdeen I'm definetly seeing support for them in a lot of places.
 
Keep seeing these polls dissing Alba but living in the NE and driving around between Angus and Aberdeen I'm definetly seeing support for them in a lot of places.

They have been the party most visibly/actively campaigning on the streets from what I’ve seen - apart from the most stage managed event/media-ops, everyone else seems to have adopted the bulk mail shot approach.
 
I was going to say, am I being really dense or does itjust not make any sort of sense at all.
These people are bizarre. Many of them are very anti SNP now. They’re shouting from the virtual rooftops about spoiling their first ballot. And even voting Unionist rather than SNP.

Quite how that’ll get them a “supermajority” is anyone’s guess. They seem to be as much about damaging the SNP as anything else.
 
His ambitions seem to have shrunk.

ALEX Salmond appears to have dampened expectations of a breakthrough for his Alba Party.

Speaking to Bauer Media, the former first minister said success for Alba was simply "registering as a political party" and on the political spectrum.


Registering zero on the richter scale perhaps.
 
Craig Murray has been sentenced to 8 months for his contempt of court during the Salmond trial. Not being a reader of Murray, I don’t know what he said. Assuming it can be repeated now that the Salmond trial is over and Murray has been sentenced, what did he say? I vaguely think he named accusers? But the reports I read never say.
 
Salmond has washed out with 0 Alba MSPs elected.
and various MPs, councillors in the anti-Sturgeon wing of the SNP have done her a favour - jumping ship to Alba saves her the effort of having to deal with or expel them.

all in all a remarkable failure for only a months work?
 
Found it.

“unlawfully publishing details about the identities of female witnesses in Alex Salmond’s criminal trial.” What a cunt.

Apparently the judge has given his lawyers three weeks to come up with grounds for an appeal.

Really have to wonder what sort of grounds there could possibly be for such a disgraceful act, but will be interesting to see what they come up with.
 
Mr Murray is shocked that a man sentenced to jail isn’t allowed to carry on his life as normal.


Craig Murray
@CraigMurrayOrg
1h
Actually what I found most shocking about that was the peculiar determination of the judges to make sure that, during the three weeks we have to lodge the appeal, I am not allowed to go to Spain to testify in the criminal prosecution for the CIA spying on Assange's legal team.
 
Mr Murray is shocked that a man sentenced to jail isn’t allowed to carry on his life as normal.


Craig Murray
@CraigMurrayOrg
1h
Actually what I found most shocking about that was the peculiar determination of the judges to make sure that, during the three weeks we have to lodge the appeal, I am not allowed to go to Spain to testify in the criminal prosecution for the CIA spying on Assange's legal team.
These cunts really do think rules are for the little people, not for them, the cunts.
 
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