Accused rapist Ched Evans to be released from prison
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So where did the supposed film of him penetrating her come from?
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
they dont really exist. His 'friend' was trying to film through the window, but didn't, it seems from the court reports, get anything clear
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wobbly
i think the point was that he didn't think that there was any problem saying what he did, because he didn't think he had done anyhting wrong. he's far from the only bloke who thinks that having sex with someone who is too drunk to remember and incapable of saying no to them is completely acceptable behavior. people who think that sit on juries as well. as do people who may think ti's wrong, but wrongness as in poor behavior, not something that should be considered rape.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
There's a lot of truth in that. But, what really did for him tho was that he lied. He claimed she had been able to walk perfectly well, and that she was only a wee bit drunk, when the footage showed she was completely out of it. I think it's probably almost exactly as you said, in his mind, but when it came to giving evidence and making statements, he had to minimise her drunkenness to excuse his own behaviour. Doing that indicates a level of awareness that what he did was overstepping the boundaries.
Athos
Well-Known Member
I agree.
likesfish
You can't park here sir
Having been a 20 something bloke who managed to get a girl back to my hotel room who passed out on my bed.
My first thoughts went great sexy time or invite my mates for twos up but well that's the end of the night.
So fuck him and his so called supporters.
If my barely human 20 something fuckwit could figure out you don't fuck unconscious women he deserves to stay in jail till he figures
My first thoughts went great sexy time or invite my mates for twos up but well that's the end of the night.
So fuck him and his so called supporters.
If my barely human 20 something fuckwit could figure out you don't fuck unconscious women he deserves to stay in jail till he figures
1927
Funnier than he thinks he is.
I haven't read the whole thread so apologise if this hasn't been mentioned earlier.
The Birmingham 6 were found guilty and expressed no remorse, would everyone hold the same opinion about their lack of remorse in light of what we know now.?
There is something about this case that doesn't ring true with me, not least the fact that it is alleged that the victim had previously made rape allegations against 2 other prominent sportsman , one a cricketer and one a rugby league player!
The Birmingham 6 were found guilty and expressed no remorse, would everyone hold the same opinion about their lack of remorse in light of what we know now.?
There is something about this case that doesn't ring true with me, not least the fact that it is alleged that the victim had previously made rape allegations against 2 other prominent sportsman , one a cricketer and one a rugby league player!
1927
Funnier than he thinks he is.
It has never been alleged she was unconscious!
Athos
Well-Known Member
No. Because we now know the Birmingham Six were innocent. Evans is not.
1927
Funnier than he thinks he is.
How do you know that? Were you there?
Athos
Well-Known Member
How do I know the Birmingham Six are innocent? Or how do I know that Evans is guilty?
With regard to the former, it's based upon the fact that their convictions were eventually quashed; with regard to the latter, it's based partly on the conviction, and partly on my own assessment of the evidence.
1927
Funnier than he thinks he is.
Can you see the problem here?
Athos
Well-Known Member
Can you see the problem with assuming that those who are convicted might be innocent, in the absence of some powerful evidence?
1927
Funnier than he thinks he is.
Yes. Now you can answer!
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wobbly
and a credible source for this attack on Evans victim?
Athos
Well-Known Member
I see as the lesser of the two problems.
I expect he's playing devils advocate.
Not to derail the thread but how might it be viewed if a person had actively encouraged role play that involved them being drugged with ketamine and then penetrated whilst under the effects but then went onto report it to the police as a rape after the acrimonious break down of the relationship?
A friend is in this very situation and given the coverage this case is getting he is shitting himself. Is consent withdrawn despite the fact it was given(with proof by way of texts and an admission by the "victim") prior to the incident.
A friend is in this very situation and given the coverage this case is getting he is shitting himself. Is consent withdrawn despite the fact it was given(with proof by way of texts and an admission by the "victim") prior to the incident.
andysays
Love and solidarity
Leaving aside your attempted slur against Evans' victim, the Birmingham 6 were victims of a fit up, involving both fabrication and suppression of evidence. They were also victims of assault at the hands of police and prison officers.
They were imprisoned for the 17 years it took them to clear their names, and only released when the crown decided not to contest their second appeal, ie when they were legally declared innocent.
For whatever reason, you have choosen a particularly inappropriate case to compare with Evans', unless you're trying to suggest that he too was fitted up.
Cid
Proper break this time
I wasn't aware that Ched had alledged he was beaten, deprived of food and water, interrogated for 12 hours, subjected to a mock execution, that his statement was unreliable, that dubious forensic evidence was used, that evidence was suppressed or fabricated etc.
trashpony
Hag
You fucking what?! Alleged by who?
Do you know how hard it is to get a rape conviction? Particularly when your rapist is famous. You disgust me, you rape apologist freak.
comrade spurski
Well-Known Member
The facts in the Birmingham 6 (and all those other cases of injustice) were always disputed by those victims and their supporters...it was prooving the police lied that finally won them their freedom.
In this case it is not so much the facts that are disputed (although his claim that she was able to walk of her own accord was shown to be untrue by cctv footage) but the interpretation of the facts and the fact that his mate wasnt convicted.
He had sex with someone so pissed they couldnt walk unaided and there were reports that a video filmed on a phone showed the woman was unconscious when he was having sex with her...imo a person can not consent to sex if they aint awake and if she had consented to sex before she passed out then her consent is null and void.
Therefore he had sex with her without her permission...therefore he raped her.
I honestly do not understand why his conviction is controversial.
As for him being allowed to work...theres plenty of good kind people who are unable to work for lots of reasons so I dont see what makes him any more deserving of a right to work that any of those people.
In this case it is not so much the facts that are disputed (although his claim that she was able to walk of her own accord was shown to be untrue by cctv footage) but the interpretation of the facts and the fact that his mate wasnt convicted.
He had sex with someone so pissed they couldnt walk unaided and there were reports that a video filmed on a phone showed the woman was unconscious when he was having sex with her...imo a person can not consent to sex if they aint awake and if she had consented to sex before she passed out then her consent is null and void.
Therefore he had sex with her without her permission...therefore he raped her.
I honestly do not understand why his conviction is controversial.
As for him being allowed to work...theres plenty of good kind people who are unable to work for lots of reasons so I dont see what makes him any more deserving of a right to work that any of those people.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Rape is under reported and under convicted. Irish terror suspects in the 1970s England were convicted on little or no evidence, often after having it beaten out of them. Slight difference between the cases? Oh, and fuck off.
Athos
Well-Known Member
Is there any evidence of these alleged rape allegations?
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
How does he know that?
He knows about Evans' guilt because of the weight of evidence that Evans lied in court (something that innocent people don't tend to do) about something that was easily disprovable.
He knows about the Birmingham Six's innocence because later examinations of the evidence used to convict saw much of it proved to be unsafe or completely fictitious, and part of the forensic evidence was shown to have had an alternative explanation that was dealt with in the testimony of the accused.
It must be shit to live in your world, always so worried that a woman might "get one over" on a man, or even get justice.
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