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Accused rapist Ched Evans to be released from prison

Bahnhof Strasse said:
I have a problem with him returning to football, it would make him a high profile celebrity.

He's a rapist.
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Well, I too have a problem with it, he's a rapist he doesn't give a fuck about his victim - I don't want him getting well paid, I don't particularly want him to be happy or feel he's got his life back where it was. I was maybe being pedantic, I just don't think there should be some kind of agreed ban. I'd prefer the clubs to have bit of common decency and ignore the twat.
 
There is some very dangerous opinion in that article from the Irish PFA:

“There is little point in trying to dissect the legal niceties of this very complex issue but suffice to say that Ched Evans has a very arguable case that he is the victim of a miscarriage of justice,” Gilhooly wrote.

“If having sex with a drunk woman is rape, then thousands of men are guilty of rape every day. The simple point is that degrees of intoxication are a very difficult concept for young men to grapple with when they themselves have had plenty to drink.”
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Bolded for emphasis.

I just don't know where to begin what he wrote. It comes across as if a woman is drunk and she gets raped then it's her fault, it's not the fault of the guy if he's been drinking too, because it's difficult to tell. What kind of message is that to send?

And he refers to the hierarchy of rape later on too, citing the fact that there was no violence and that the victim doesn't remember what happened as a 'mitigating factor'. Absolutely horrendous.
 
8ball said:
Is he an unrepentant rapist? I thought I read somewhere that he was claiming to be innocent.
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He claims to be innocent of rape, his defence is that he did have sex with her and he's ashamed for cheating on his girlfriend.

He does not accept that he has committed rape, despite being a convicted rapist. His 2012 appeal was rejected, and his new legal team have asked for a review of his case to be expedited.
 
equationgirl said:
There is some very dangerous opinion in that article from the Irish PFA:
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Yes, some astonishing stuff (some of it mirroring the nonsense earlier in this thread) - even more so coming from a solicitor. Why the fuck did he think it was a good idea to intervene? Apart from the more important reasons why he should have kept out of it, there's also the fact that he's commenting on a player who has represented another Football Association - Wales.
 
equationgirl said:
He does not accept that he has committed rape, despite being a convicted rapist.
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So on that one point he does have something in common with the Birmingham Six - they were also convicted and did not accept their guilt. It's also true to say that any display of repentance would be totally meaningless unless he accepts his guilt.

Whether Evans is deluded in believing himself innocent, and whether this solicitor's argument that it is reasonable for him to think so I can't say, but those other particular statements are still sound on their own merits.
 
8ball said:
So on that one point he does have something in common with the Birmingham Six - they were also convicted and did not accept their guilt. It's also true to say that any display of repentance would be totally meaningless unless he accepts his guilt.

Whether Evans is deluded in believing himself innocent, and whether this solicitor's argument that it is reasonable for him to think so I can't say, but those other particular statements are still sound on their own merits.
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That's not all he says though. He also says something about Evans being drunk and maybe getting signals wrong, which absolutely is not Evans' own contention - he says she clearly consented - and then there's something idiotic about her not remembering being mitigation, which is frankly bizarre.

I don't want this bloke in my corner arguing my defence.
 
littlebabyjesus said:
That's not all he says though. He also says something about Evans being drunk and maybe getting signals wrong, which absolutely is not Evans' own contention - he says she clearly consented - and then there's something idiotic about her not remembering being mitigation, which is frankly bizarre.

I don't want this bloke in my corner arguing my defence.
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Well yeah, if she clearly consented then the stuff about getting signals wrong is nonsensical.
If she didn't remember the attack, though, who was the complainant?
 
Suspect it'll be removed from their site within 48 hours, particularly if Irish women's groups get on the case. At one level astonishing stupidity for a solicitor to fuck up so badly, but it's also another intervention designed to minimise what rape is classed as. Fucking horrible, particularly for the victim. :(
 
8ball said:
Well yeah, if she clearly consented then the stuff about getting signals wrong is nonsensical.
If she didn't remember the attack, though, who was the complainant?
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You've not read up on this, have you?

She does not remember going to the hotel, only remembers waking up there alone the next morning. The court did not believe Evans when he said she had consented. The judge sentencing said that earlier cctv footage of her stumbling in the street showed she had been too drunk to consent to sex. It's kind of the crux of the thing. You're probably best reading up for yourself.
 
Is the Birmingham Six thing designed to show the British justice system's treatment of accused in rape cases in the same light as those fitted up on bombing charges? To say see how they have transferred their persecution of the innocent to young men on the pull?
 
JTG said:
Is the Birmingham Six thing designed to show the British justice system's treatment of accused in rape cases in the same light as those fitted up on bombing charges? To say see how they have transferred their persecution of the innocent to young men on the pull?
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I have a feeling Gareth Pierce will give this one a miss.
 
8ball said:
So on that one point he does have something in common with the Birmingham Six - they were also convicted and did not accept their guilt. It's also true to say that any display of repentance would be totally meaningless unless he accepts his guilt.

Whether Evans is deluded in believing himself innocent, and whether this solicitor's argument that it is reasonable for him to think so I can't say, but those other particular statements are still sound on their own merits.
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Yes, but he wasn't interrogated for 12 hours at a time, beaten, denied food and water, or have forensic evidence misinterpreted, as far as I know. So he doesn't have anything in common with the Birmingham 6 apart from a statement of innocence.
 
8ball said:
Well yeah, if she clearly consented then the stuff about getting signals wrong is nonsensical.
If she didn't remember the attack, though, who was the complainant?
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She was the complainant. She phoned the police after waking up naked in a hotel room.
 
JTG said:
Is the Birmingham Six thing designed to show the British justice system's treatment of accused in rape cases in the same light as those fitted up on bombing charges? To say see how they have transferred their persecution of the innocent to young men on the pull?
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I doubt it's as well thought through as that, more the case everyone in the UK thinks of as an example of a miscarriage of justice.
 
littlebabyjesus said:
You've not read up on this, have you?
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Nope, not at all, but there's clearly a very emotionally charged narrative at play.

It does sound pretty complicated legally speaking if CCTV footage in a different time and location was taken as evidence of non-consent. But like you say, I've not read up and there is a lot I don't know, such as how much bearing that had on things.

I don't expect to find any of the details terribly edifying but I still maintain that talk of repentance is meaningless if he claims he is innocent (of the rape rather than the cheating on his gf thing). I can't think of any detail that would change that.
 
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