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Accused rapist Ched Evans to be released from prison

8ball said:
Nope, not at all, but there's clearly a very emotionally charged narrative at play.

It does sound pretty complicated legally speaking if CCTV footage in a different time and location was taken as evidence of non-consent. But like you say, I've not read up and there is a lot I don't know, such as how much bearing that had on things.

I don't expect to find any of the details terribly edifying but I still maintain that talk of repentance is meaningless if he claims he is innocent (of the rape rather than the cheating on his gf thing). I can't think of any detail that would change that.
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No, I agree. He can't say she consented and be repentant about raping her.
 
8ball said:
Did she claim she remembered not consenting?
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No. She appears to have suffered an alcohol-induced blackout that lasted a couple of hours at least. Brought on by drinking a number of shots in quick succession. In that time, she went back to a hotel with one footballer - McDonald - (and willingly, according to the cctv), then had intercourse with him, and then with Evans who had arrived after being texted by McDonald in the taxi that 'I've got a bird'. Both were charged with rape. McDonald was found not guilty. Evans guilty. McDonald left before Evans, who sneaked out a back entrance and left her alone. When she woke up alone the next morning, she thought her drink had been spiked (had never blacked out before) and that her purse had been stolen. Turns out that she had left her purse in a shop - typical of a blackout, unable to lay down new memories, so forgets she's put it down somewhere.

I believe she initially went to the police about the purse/drink being spiked. Only later did she find out that she'd gone to the hotel with McDonald. There was no evidence, nor suggestion in court, that her drink had been spiked. cctv footage showed her stumbling in the street, and also showed her entering the hotel arm-in-arm with McDonald. They said she had consented in the hotel room. The court did not believe them. They also tried to make out that the woman was a liar in court, but all she said of the events in the hotel room was 'I do not remember'.

To add to the slease, two of Evans' mates tried to film them having sex through the window of the hotel room on their phones. Sounds like I'm making this up now, but I'm not.
 
Ick, that's a horrible and pretty complicated case on the face of it. Made more so with the other accused party and stuff. It certainly looks plausible that they might not have cared whether she consented, but people who don't have the record function on can often appear fairly lucid and people who can appear out of it one minute can be quite functional shortly after.

Can't argue with the fact that the court didn't believe them, but it's a right old mess.
 
spanglechick said:
She was so drunk she wet the fucking bed. That on its own indicates to me that she was very drunk. Maybe not to you.

You seem to think a very high level of drunkenness should be needed before a person starts questioning the validity of consent that may have been given.

The law would appear to disagree with you.

It's pretty simple to the rest of us on this thread, though. Is your partner drunk y/n?

If yes, how sure are you that they would be keen to shag you even if they weren't drunk?

If they willingly got into a cab with you and willingly went back to a hotel room with you, you're probably fair to assume that they are up for it.

If, otoh, you have never met them, got a text message from a mate saying he'd "got one", but nothing in that text suggested her desire to meet you/have a threesome/have sex with a total stranger etc, and you turn up at the hotel and plan to have sex with this person pretty much straight away... But the person turns out to be drunk - then I'm afraid the only non-abusive outcome is to walk away because nothing in that scenario should give you reasonable belief that she would consent if she were sober.
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Your post should be replied to every time someone new joins the thread not having read the background to the case.
 
cesare said:
Your post should be replied to every time someone new joins the thread not having read the background to the case.
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Yes, we are getting to the point where this thread needs its very own sticky.

I sort of feel I've made a good number of posts on this thread, virtually saying the same thing, not adding anything new. But then you see this idiotic stuff from the PFAI solicitor and are reminded this is an important case and that there's an ongoing battle around rape and rape prosecutions.
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/nov/18/police-dismiss-one-in-four-sex-crimes-watchdog
 
littlebabyjesus said:
That's not all he says though. He also says something about Evans being drunk and maybe getting signals wrong, which absolutely is not Evans' own contention - he says she clearly consented - and then there's something idiotic about her not remembering being mitigation, which is frankly bizarre.

I don't want this bloke in my corner arguing my defence.
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because clearly, it's less wrong to rape someone as long as you wait until they are blacked out first. i wonder where he stands on drugging someone so they don't remember,.

Wilf said:
Yes, we are getting to the point where this thread needs its very own sticky.

I sort of feel I've made a good number of posts on this thread, virtually saying the same thing, not adding anything new. But then you see this idiotic stuff from the PFAI solicitor and are reminded this is an important case and that there's an ongoing battle around rape and rape prosecutions.
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/nov/18/police-dismiss-one-in-four-sex-crimes-watchdog
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it's worth noting that the studies that show ridiculously high levels of false allegation are those that are based mostly or solely on police opinion that no crime actually happened. like examples when the police have decided they don't want to investigate because they don't believe the victim, because they aren't the right level of upset, or because of other rape myths. or beause some types of women just aren't worth listening to. simply, among the women whose rapes are listed as no crime are likely to be the most vulnerable
 
equationgirl said:
There is some very dangerous opinion in that article from the Irish PFA:



Bolded for emphasis.

I just don't know where to begin what he wrote. It comes across as if a woman is drunk and she gets raped then it's her fault, it's not the fault of the guy if he's been drinking too, because it's difficult to tell. What kind of message is that to send?

And he refers to the hierarchy of rape later on too, citing the fact that there was no violence and that the victim doesn't remember what happened as a 'mitigating factor'. Absolutely horrendous.
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I was surprised myself. My impression was that any 'I was drunk/on drugs' defence is seen as an aggravating factor so for a solicitor to suggest otherwise seems a bit ludicrous.
 
Convicted rapists have to be able to work in order to be rehabilitated once they are deemed safe to be releases into society. ..they do not have the right to return to their former jobs or even careers. No rapist could return to Being a teacher...a cabbie...social worker...school caretaker...lawyer...there is a huge list of jobs they could not return to...so why the fuck should this UNREPENTANT RAPIST still be a footballer?
So what if he has been released from prison...so what if he feels like he is still being punished...rape is a serious fucking crime.
Having a right to a job does not equate to having a right to be a footballer.
I do not get how anyone thinks he has a right to be a footballer.
 
Sadly all the patrons who have resigned from the Sheffield United Community Foundation are a major loss to this local charity that does so much for underprivileged children and families in the region.
For this reason alone I would think anyone with a conscience would withdraw all connections from Sheffield United and disappear from public view. But then again an unrepentant, convicted rapist probably has no conscience!
 
I can only presume the manager (Nigel Clough) wants Ched Evans to play for them. If he didn't this part of the story would not be an issue.
 
littlebabyjesus said:
No. She appears to have suffered an alcohol-induced blackout that lasted a couple of hours at least. Brought on by drinking a number of shots in quick succession. In that time, she went back to a hotel with one footballer - McDonald - (and willingly, according to the cctv), then had intercourse with him, and then with Evans who had arrived after being texted by McDonald in the taxi that 'I've got a bird'. Both were charged with rape. McDonald was found not guilty. Evans guilty. McDonald left before Evans, who sneaked out a back entrance and left her alone. When she woke up alone the next morning, she thought her drink had been spiked (had never blacked out before) and that her purse had been stolen. Turns out that she had left her purse in a shop - typical of a blackout, unable to lay down new memories, so forgets she's put it down somewhere.

I believe she initially went to the police about the purse/drink being spiked. Only later did she find out that she'd gone to the hotel with McDonald. There was no evidence, nor suggestion in court, that her drink had been spiked. cctv footage showed her stumbling in the street, and also showed her entering the hotel arm-in-arm with McDonald. They said she had consented in the hotel room. The court did not believe them. They also tried to make out that the woman was a liar in court, but all she said of the events in the hotel room was 'I do not remember'.

To add to the slease, two of Evans' mates tried to film them having sex through the window of the hotel room on their phones. Sounds like I'm making this up now, but I'm not.
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So you've now read what happened. At this point in the discussion.
 
comrade spurski said:
Having a right to a job does not equate to having a right to be a footballer. I do not get how anyone thinks he has a right to be a footballer.
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I don't think the right to be a professional footballer is in any of the human rights acts anyway.
Is there a list of 'rapist suitable' jobs somewhere?
 
Were he repentant, I would have little problem with him going back to being a footballer. He should have to accept he wouldn't play at the very highest levels, or even as high a level as he had played at before, but he shouldn't be entirely barred, imo.

However, he is an unrepentant piece of shit, so fuck him.
 
May have been answered somewhere already but what is the story about early release and admitting your guilt? I thought they were linked? (I remember cases where people protesting innocence were denied parole for years).
 
Ched Evans: Rape row footballer 'being victimised'

:facepalm:

Convicted rapist and former Sheffield United footballer Ched Evans is being victimised, a lawyer has claimed.


Evans, who was jailed in April 2012 for raping a 19-year-old woman in a hotel room in 2011, was released last month.


Stuart Gilhooly, a lawyer for the Professional Footballers' Association of Ireland, said other convicted people had later been found to be innocent.


However, a rape victims' support group said the comparison was "ridiculous and insulting to victims".


Mr Gilhooly wrote an article on the association's website referring to Evans' crime as "alleged", despite the fact the footballer was found guilty of raping the woman in the hotel in Rhyl, North Wales, and sentenced to five years.


The article has since been removed from the website.


Stephen McGuinness, general secretary of the PFAI, confirmed that it had been the association's decision to remove the article from the website.


Mr McGuinness said: "We decided to take it down, it was our decision. We decided to take it down this morning as soon as we came in."


In his article, Mr Gilhooly said he believed that, whether Evans was guilty or innocent, the footballer deserved another chance.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-30093565
 
Betsy said:
Ched Evans: Rape row footballer 'being victimised'

:facepalm:

Convicted rapist and former Sheffield United footballer Ched Evans is being victimised, a lawyer has claimed.


Evans, who was jailed in April 2012 for raping a 19-year-old woman in a hotel room in 2011, was released last month.


Stuart Gilhooly, a lawyer for the Professional Footballers' Association of Ireland, said other convicted people had later been found to be innocent.


However, a rape victims' support group said the comparison was "ridiculous and insulting to victims".


Mr Gilhooly wrote an article on the association's website referring to Evans' crime as "alleged", despite the fact the footballer was found guilty of raping the woman in the hotel in Rhyl, North Wales, and sentenced to five years.


The article has since been removed from the website.


Stephen McGuinness, general secretary of the PFAI, confirmed that it had been the association's decision to remove the article from the website.


Mr McGuinness said: "We decided to take it down, it was our decision. We decided to take it down this morning as soon as we came in."


In his article, Mr Gilhooly said he believed that, whether Evans was guilty or innocent, the footballer deserved another chance.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-30093565
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I saw that article.

The fact that his victim has been persecuted so much that she's had to change her name clearly pales into insignificance due to the amount of victimisation he's suffered...
 
Orang Utan said:
Why has this Irish lawyer stuck his oar in?
Evans is Welsh, isn't he?
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He must have seen the man-signal

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Wilf said:
I wonder what PR people call the current situation? We've gone from 'the PFA asked us to let him train and anyway he's served his time' to... pretty much nothing. They must know he'll be hoyed out, but haven't go anything to say about it. Trouble is, having gone on about the traditions of the club and values, it will look like those values were compatible with both employing him and kicking him out.

Sorry, that wasn't veryclear, I'm just suggesting they are a bunch of spineless hypocrites.
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I agree, but it was pretty clear how incompetent Sheffield United's PR people were, from the start. Especially after they allowed the words 'mob justice to appear in the club's official statement :mad: :rolleyes:
 
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