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Absolutely the only single GE 2017 results thread.



(If you can't see it: Latest: I understand that a deal with the DUP today is by no means guaranteed. Quite a bit of hard ball is being played. - Tom Newton Dunn, Sun political editor.)
 


(If you can't see it: Latest: I understand that a deal with the DUP today is by no means guaranteed. Quite a bit of hard ball is being played. - Tom Newton Dunn, Sun political editor.)


FFS there are only 10 of them, are the tories really negotiating with them? The only concession they should get with 10 mps is that every other week they can pet Larry the cat. What a mess.
 
10 is enough to give the tories a majority. Or not. So the DUP hold all the cards.

But also so do any other group of 10 Tories who want their pet project looked at. Great stuff.
 
so.. two of the 4 Brexit Ministers have just gone (one sacked the other resigned) just before talks are supposed to begin in a few days time. A shambles of epic proportions, makes me proud to be British.
Definitely keeping those blighters guessing.

They don't like it up em
 
and yet, there they are.
If they're smart, they'll offer nothing with the appearance of something. eg they're dropping the dementia tax anyway, but they'll say that they had listened to the concerns of the DUP MPs over the DT and taken those concerns into consideration.
 
John Major continues his attempt to become an elder statesman

This stuff is great. I tend to give politicians too much credit as Machiavellian schemers and so assume things like this and the Orange Order asking for marches as simply maneuvering to give their representatives things to compromise on without losing the stuff they actually want.

Fortunately in this case I think they simply are that delusional.
 
If they're smart, they'll offer nothing with the appearance of something. eg they're dropping the dementia tax anyway, but they'll say that they had listened to the concerns of the DUP MPs over the DT and taken those concerns into consideration.
I'm sure they'd love to do that. Why would the DUP - with the most powerful bargaining chips they've ever had - let them? They'll want something real.
 
Ask, and ye shall receive

GE2017 - Constituency results

(excludes NI)
(also excludes no. of registered voters, so no turnout numbers)
I have little time right now, but here's something. Lab/Con results ranked by marginality (doesn't matter who with), with X axes stretched to fit each other. Labour seats are *very* safe, but the marginals are just as marginal for both.

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They hate Labour in general and Corbyn in particular. They don't exactly hold all the cards if this is their best way to avoid a Corbyn-led govt.
They do now because she went to them on bended knee. Had she not panicked and simply formed a minority government she could have told them it was their choice to back her or not, but if she couldn't get through the Queen's Speech she would abstain when Labour sought to do so. They'd have fallen into line just because Corbyn.

The DUP has spent years horse-trading with similarly tough negotiators, they're going to bleed her dry.
 
They do now because she went to them on bended knee. Had she not panicked and simply formed a minority government she could have told them it was their choice to back her or not, but if she couldn't get through the Queen's Speech she would abstain when Labour sought to do so. They'd have fallen into line just because Corbyn.

The DUP has spent years horse-trading with similarly tough negotiators, they're going to bleed her dry.
We'll see. You may well be right. But if May offers anything other than purely symbolic stuff like assurances about dropping things they were dropping anyway, she'll have done a shite job, and be seen to have done a shite job.
 
We'll see. You may well be right. But if May offers anything other than purely symbolic stuff like assurances about dropping things they were dropping anyway, she'll have done a shite job, and be seen to have done a shite job.

Yeah. The hand they hold is an illusion, or at least is should be to any half decent negotiator. Just give them a choice of whats on offer and that's it, they currently have nothing anyway and are extremely unlikely to vote with Corbyn on anything. It shouldn't be difficult stuff, look at how Cameron shafted the lib dems and they held a much stronger hand.

If the DUP get anything out of this apart from a tour of downing street then we really are truly fucked when the EU stuff kicks of it earnest.
 
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