A thank you to Brexiteers.

[bimble]

Fair play to you Bimble. At least you recognise your inverted exceptionalism.

What does that mean?

 

[Smokeandsteam]

damn you brimble and you anti British fever

bet you don't even have a massive bloody apron flying majestically on a flag pole outside your house

Yes, there are only two possible ways of thinking about it: weird inverted exceptionalism or flag waving idiocy.

It’s the nuance that makes this thread so enjoyable

 

[Spymaster]

You’re right actually, I feel the least patriotic I’ve ever felt right now, which is saying quite a lot.

It’s not a question of lack of patriotism. It’s racism towards your own country. Not sure what that’s called.

 

[bimble]

What’s inverted exceptionalism is it the same thing as continuity remain.

 

[brogdale]

So Brexit folk support the right of the fishing industry's direct action to retain their livelihood and incomes?

 

[ska invita]

The more they say it, the less likely I think it is to happen.

Do you think the Tories will agree to the "80% of checks scrapped" offer? It is contingent on actually building border infrastructure and letting the EU be able to check that border control is happening and be able to intervene if they aren't (ECJ)
I would bet the Tories wont agree* to anything that actually means having border infrastructure with any EU oversight, even if the EU scraps 99% of the required checks.
We shall see soon enough


*well they agreed to it last year - co-wrote it and agreed to it when they signed the Protocol that "no UK prime minister could ever agree to"

 

[bimble]

So Brexit folk support the right of the fishing industry's direct action to retain their livelihood and incomes?

No cos they’re not British. When we talk about workers we only mean British ones.

 

[Ax^]

hmm I was taking the mick because suddenly brimble is anti British

which is a bit of weird remark seeming as all she stated is anti brexit leading ideas

but of course it's the brexiter lot who are really being victimised

 

[Smokeandsteam]

So Brexit folk support the right of the fishing industry's direct action to retain their livelihood and incomes?

I fully support direct action by all workers. I don’t ask where they come from first.

Would you support direct action by fishermen from Grimsby grabbing more fishing territory for themselves to protect their jobs?

 

[brogdale]

No cos they’re not British. When we talk about workers we only mean British ones.

I was kind of hoping they'd respond, themselves really.

 

[bimble]

It’s not a question of lack of patriotism. It’s racism towards your own country. Not sure what that’s called.

5th columnist I think, I should probably be exiled.

 

[brogdale]

I fully support direct action by all workers. I don’t ask where they come from first.

Would you support direct action by fishermen from Grimsby grabbing more fishing territory for themselves to protect their jobs?

That's clear; you support the French fishing industry.
Not sure it's about grabbing more territory, though. My understanding is that the dispute revolves around waters that they've traditionally fished (because they're a few miles from France).

 

[gosub]

Yes, there are only two possible ways of thinking about it: weird inverted exceptionalism or flag waving idiocy.

It’s the nuance that makes this thread so enjoyable

What about the lot waving EU flags and saying nothing to do with me. Surely that both inverted exceptionalism AND flag waving idiocy.

 

[gosub]

If it was British small boat fishermen threatening direct action to keep their liveihoods that would be noble and good but they're execrable frenchmen obvs.

How small? In relation to the size of the boats Geldolf was jeering at in 2016

 

[Smokeandsteam]

What about the lot waving EU flags and saying nothing to do with me. Surely that both inverted exceptionalism AND flag waving idiocy.

Inverted excpetionalists and flag waving buffoons? You must be talking about continuity remain.

 

[Artaxerxes]

I was anti-British long before Brexit do I win a prize?

 

[bimble]

How small? In relation to the size of the boats Geldolf was jeering at in 2016

I am not sure. 'small' according to TopCat 's article .

 

[philosophical]

I might be reading things wrong, but have we now come to a point where being anti Brexit means you’re an anti British racist?
Maybe that label is true coming from Brexiteers who are experts on racism.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

I might be reading things wrong, but have we now come to a point where being anti Brexit means you’re an anti British racist?
Maybe that label is true coming from Brexiteers who are experts on racism.

You are reading things wrong.

 

[brogdale]

It’s not a question of lack of patriotism. It’s racism towards your own country. Not sure what that’s called.

It is possible to criticise/hate the UK state without holding "racist" views of the people that happen to live under its jurisdiction. Or are we going down the route of the antisemitism arguments?

 

[bimble]

I was anti-British long before Brexit do I win a prize?

Depends, who did you support in the euro cup final this year?

 

[Artaxerxes]

Depends, who did you support in the euro cup final this year?

Football is also shit

 

[gosub]

I might be reading things wrong, but have we now come to a point where being anti Brexit means you’re an anti British racist?
Maybe that label is true coming from Brexiteers who are experts on racism.

wtf is the British race?

 

[Pickman's model]

You are reading things wrong.

yeh when he has to say he may be he definitely is

 

[Artaxerxes]

wtf is the British race?

Puce

 

[gosub]

Football is also shit

Agreed. But they could make the European cup a fuck site quicker if they followed that twat in the Commission (forget who) Olympic idea, and just have an EU team for thems that are in the EU

 

[The39thStep]

It is possible to criticise/hate the UK state without holding "racist" views of the people that happen to live under its jurisdiction. Or are we going down the route of the antisemitism arguments?

Sort of like the UK is a shithole position?

 

[brogdale]

Sort of like the UK is a shithole position?

Not really, no.

 

[philosophical]

wtf is the British race?

Well I wouldn’t know. It was hinted at earlier, hidden amongst some of the anti French stuff.
Which might beg the question does that include anti Breton, or Corsican or whatever.
The land mass generally called France has given the world some fantastic stuff and some fantastic people.
An accident of birth is an accident of birth, and nationalism and patriotism is as much of an invented notion as religion.

 

[ska invita]

I fully support direct action by all workers. I don’t ask where they come from first.

Would you support direct action by fishermen from Grimsby grabbing more fishing territory for themselves to protect their jobs?

Would you? I wouldn't support "grabbing more fishing territory"... Fishing is a great example of where international cooperation is essential, both to protect livelihoods and the commons (the sea).