A thank you to Brexiteers.

[Ming]

I remember around the Brexit thing (after the vote ) there was some legal hurdle the Brexiteers had to get over. And they did. And JRM had a champagne party afterwards. That’s when I realized it was all about money.
I remember what the EU did to Greece after 2008. But…Greece cooked the books to get in (with Goldman‘s help). I understand it’s a neoliberal capitalist organization and why some people on the left aren’t into it for that reason. But for me it‘s a lesser of two evils. Also the world is now globalised so you’d expect power blocks.

 

[Badgers]

Heseltine today:

“Just take the phrase, take back control. That’s what we were told brexit would do.Can you show me any area where you think this government has actually achieved a greater degree of control? It is lurching from crisis to crisis.And it’s patently not in control.”

 

[two sheds]

Love a bit of the old Self (Will) myself. From 2016 after the result. Quite funny.

Well we all in the UK have certainly come together over the last couple of years to make Brexit work.

 

[ska invita]

Heseltine today:

“Can you show me any area where you think this government has actually achieved a greater degree of control? .”

Points based immigration policy is the biggest one so far.

 

[AmateurAgitator]

Top 5 Brexit benefits (to date):

1. Freedom from the rotting neo-liberal EU economic project, the common features of which are secretiveness, democratic unaccountability, punishment beatings for poor countries and racist border controls across ‘Fortress Europe’.
2. Shifting the balance of labour market forces towards workers and unions and fatally undermining the use of exploitative free movement of labour.
3. What Perry Anderson calls EU ‘dilute sovereignty without meaningful democracy’, compulsory unanimity without participant equality and the cult of free markets’ also gone.
4. The death of EU State Aid restrictions opening up new state procurement and public ownership options.
5. Exposure of the corrosive political nostalgia and bankruptcy of middle class liberals. As capitalism falters we find out how many supporters it actually has in polite society and among the chattering class.

 

[gosub]

Good timing then? Coincidence?

Anyway, Pffft to the beastly EU and their 'human rights clauses'

TBF to Newcastle fans, I think they are just glad to see the back of Mike Ashley

 

[The39thStep]

Heseltine today:

“Just take the phrase, take back control. That’s what we were told brexit would do.Can you show me any area where you think this government has actually achieved a greater degree of control? It is lurching from crisis to crisis.And it’s patently not in control.”

Ah Heseltine , remember when Frickley Miners dumped that large load of coal blocking the driveway to his country estate at the beginning of the strike ?

 

[gosub]

Well we all in the UK have certainly come together over the last couple of years to make Brexit work.

Don't think Dreda Say Mitchell was gloatingly triumphal about Leaves ' win either. As to Cameron and his referendum and why,. He wasn't the first PM to acknowledge that the EU and its ever moving goalpost needed a referendum. If the government hadn't have lost THAT referendum if would have lost one that would have been required on the next round of treaty change, thus blocking treaty change.

 

[philosophical]

Points based immigration policy is the biggest one so far.

How so if anybody can walk completely unchecked overland from the EU into the UK?

 

[kebabking]

How so if anybody can walk completely unchecked overland from the EU into the UK?

Can they rent or buy accommodation?

Can they get a job?

Can they get social security?

Can they travel from NI into GB?

I'm sure there are people who's life's dream is to walk into NI, and to live, work and die in NI's black economy, but I'm not sure there's enough of them to get excited about....

 

[Pickman's model]

Can they rent or buy accommodation?

Can they get a job?

Can they get social security?

Can they travel from NI into GB?

I'm sure there are people who's life's dream is to walk into NI, and to live, work and die in NI's black economy, but I'm not sure there's enough of them to get excited about....

he doesn't, i see, mention traffic the other way

 

[Pickman's model]

Ah Heseltine , remember when Frickley Miners dumped that large load of coal blocking the driveway to his country estate at the beginning of the strike ?

thenford, when the coal came down

 

[kebabking]

he doesn't, i see, mention traffic the other way

The EU isn't worried about immigration from the UK mate, we're white...

 

[philosophical]

Can they rent or buy accommodation?

Can they get a job?

Can they get social security?

Can they travel from NI into GB?

I'm sure there are people who's life's dream is to walk into NI, and to live, work and die in NI's black economy, but I'm not sure there's enough of them to get excited about....

I don’t know the details, I imagine there will be ways, or unofficial ways.
Interesting that you mention travelling from Northern Ireland into Great Britain, a convenient body of water makes that part of inter UK travel more difficult than the inter UK travel between Essex and Suffolk for example. Discriminatory, but has some practical convenience.
Even one is enough to get excited about, or do you have a notion regarding when numbers become serious enough to get excited about?
You might be wanting to use the Priti Patel assessment when she contemplates desperate migrants trying to cross the channel from the EU into the UK, where it seems to me one is one too many for her.
It was referenced earlier that anybody can walk across the land border in Ireland from the UK to the EU unchecked, which is also true, and given the surge of applications for Irish passports from within the UK that kind of desire might even be some kind of problem.
The overall issue is the Emperors New Clothes delusion, oft repeated, that Brexit has happened, or that the UK controls it’s borders.

 

[kebabking]

Even one is enough to get excited about, or do you have a notion regarding when numbers become serious enough to get excited about?

A few thousand a year for a couple of years. Other than that...

 

[kebabking]

...that Brexit has happened, or that the UK controls it’s borders.

 

[philosophical]

Why add icing sugar to treacle?
Isn’t treacle sweet enough?

 

[Pickman's model]

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he's enough to drive you to that

 

[philosophical]

Stalker alert!

 

[The39thStep]

Just got back from Faro Airport where Border Control simply directed passengers on the UK flights to use both EU and Non EU lanes . The only small difference is that holidaymakers got their passports stamped ( no doubt due to the 90/180 day rules) but as I have a residencia I don't get a stamp. No customs check on the bacon, corned beef, cheese, pork pies, and black pudding that I had in my bag either.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

No customs check on the bacon, corned beef, cheese, pork pies, and black pudding that I had in my bag either.

All the essential bases covered

 

[DaphneM]

All the essential bases covered

the five main food groups

 

[Spymaster]

Just got back from Faro Airport where Border Control simply directed passengers on the UK flights to use both EU and Non EU lanes . The only small difference is that holidaymakers got their passports stamped ( no doubt due to the 90/180 day rules) but as I have a residencia I don't get a stamp. No customs check on the bacon, corned beef, cheese, pork pies, and black pudding that I had in my bag either.

This is likely to be the future reality isn’t it. Nobody really wants customs queues in their airports so Brits will just get waved through once everyone’s settled down a bit. Every now and then the UKG will piss someone off (probably the French) and there’ll be a retaliatory go-slow, but otherwise pretty much business as usual.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

The philosophical one yet again fails to acknowledge that checks are carried out between the Schengen Zone and Eire, so when he talks out people being able to walk from the EU to the UK he means Eire to the UK only, not the greater EU, but the disingenuous snotrag yet again is trying to muddy things in order to claim stuff that ain't so.

 

[philosophical]

The philosophical one yet again fails to acknowledge that checks are carried out between the Schengen Zone and Eire, so when he talks out people being able to walk from the EU to the UK he means Eire to the UK only, not the greater EU, but the disingenuous snotrag yet again is trying to muddy things in order to claim stuff that ain't so.

Romania is not for example a Schengen country. There is freedom of movement in the EU. The Republic of Ireland is in the EU as is Romania.
A Romanian can walk unchecked into the UK across the land border in Ireland.

 

[andysays]

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[Bahnhof Strasse]

Romania is not for example a Schengen country. There is freedom of movement in the EU. The Republic of Ireland is in the EU as is Romania.
A Romanian can walk unchecked into the UK across the land border in Ireland.

Eire is not in Schengen so checks are carried out on the border, which also happens to be the border of the Common Travel Area. The Romanian or any other EU citizen can be denied entry to Eire should the Irish state so decide. Further just cos the EU citizen has made it to Eire doesn't give them the legal right to enter the UK, so sure they can walk in but face arrest and deportation.

 

[bimble]

Thanks for betting on me The39thStep, a weird kind of flattery but I’ll take it.

 

[bimble]

Have decided I need to move to Italy, Which is the most remoaner thing in the world to do so I expect this thread to be very supportive.

 

[philosophical]

Eire is not in Schengen so checks are carried out on the border, which also happens to be the border of the Common Travel Area. The Romanian or any other EU citizen can be denied entry to Eire should the Irish state so decide. Further just cos the EU citizen has made it to Eire doesn't give them the legal right to enter the UK, so sure they can walk in but face arrest and deportation.

Your last part is unarguable. People can walk in to the UK, but face the risk of arrest and deportation, not dissimilar to the prospects of desperate people in boats in the channel.
However I don’t believe the UK has outsourced it’s border control to the Republic of Ireland.