37 killed in attack on Tunisian tourist beach resort

[butchersapron]

Millions of participants in the arab spring = nothing, mere paste.

Beyond paternalism this.

 

[Buckaroo]

1985 He's a bad man.

He's a good man. 2011

He's a bad man,


he's a dead man

 

[Mr.Bishie]

Needs this photo (2007) to make the set!

 

[Buckaroo]

Needs this photo (2007) to make the set!

He's a cunt and so is Gaddafi.

 

[Mr.Bishie]

Blair ain't dead, yet.

 

[Idris2002]

Millions of participants in the arab spring = nothing, mere paste.

Beyond paternalism this.

He looks like a good man fallen among Americans.

 

[Doctor Carrot]

Millions of participants in the arab spring = nothing, mere paste.

Beyond paternalism this.

That's a good article and amazingly well timed for this thread!

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Blair ain't dead, yet.

The day's not over yet.

 

[TheHoodedClaw]

Seems the death toll will be a fair bit higher than previously reported. Urgh.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...curity-force-tourist-resorts?CMP=share_btn_tw

 

[treelover]

That's a good article and amazingly well timed for this thread!

He has got Rees, Callinicos, German, Galloway, most of left Unity, etc, etc down to to a T

 

[Casually Red]

He has got Rees, Callinicos, German, Galloway, most of left Unity, etc, etc down to to a T

Who has ?

 

[treelover]

The author of the Counterpunch piece posted above,

anyway, best to keep on topic, horrendous days.

 

[Casually Red]

??

Eta

Yeah, I see what you're on about . Not that brilliant really .

 

[David Clapson]

Why isn't anyone pointing out that it was Blair who made the British a target for Islamic terrorists? If anyone deserves to be murdered on a beach, it's him. There are lots of photos in the press of a bouquet with a note saying 'Why?' on it. How can people not know the answer to that question?

 

[Casually Red]

Why isn't anyone pointing out that it was Blair who made the British a target for Islamic terrorists? If anyone deserves to be murdered on a beach, it's him. There are lots of photos in the press of a bouquet with a note saying 'Why?' on it. How can people not know the answer to that question?

He was certainly a very contributing factor to their rise and empowerment . But tbh by this stage of the game some of these cats are targeting westerners for their perceived lifestyles and either choice of or lack of religious belief . I think this game has moved on from there .
France took no part in the Iraq invasion . It was instrumental in gadaffis overthrow , on their side in Syria . Matters not a damn . Blair played a major role in letting the genie out of the bottle but I think it's gone beyond that now .

 

[Buddy Bradley]

Seems the death toll will be a fair bit higher than previously reported. Urgh.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...curity-force-tourist-resorts?CMP=share_btn_tw

The British media seem to have decided to ignore any non-Brits killed - no mention of any other deaths apart from 30+ British holidaymakers.

 

[jusali]

It strikes me that the iron fists of both Gadafi and Hussein (although distasteful to western ideals) did a lot to suppress these ISIS type mentalists.
Now they're spread across the world we really have no control over them whatsoever, makes for worrying times indeed.......

 

[frogwoman]

Many ISIS types are ex baathists tho innit?

 

[not-bono-ever]

Yup. Convenience I think - the base motivators of money and power are never far away from the dealings of the ex high level baathists. Especially ex military. The sophistication of the cash generation engine for IS in the region is quite sophisticated and seemingly self funding - thsta quite interesting for an insurgent movement I think.

 

[Pickman's model]

Why isn't anyone pointing out that it was Blair who made the British a target for Islamic terrorists? If anyone deserves to be murdered on a beach, it's him. There are lots of photos in the press of a bouquet with a note saying 'Why?' on it. How can people not know the answer to that question?

and not just on a beach

 

[butchersapron]

Many ISIS types are ex baathists tho innit?

You've got to be careful with this - ISIS and their forerunners used the networks and resources that the Baathists set up prior to the invasion in order to continue resistance, but the baathists post-invasion were only locally powerful socially in a small sunni area. Politically and militarily a number of them were in key positions because they had the keys to the networks and resources and were prepared to put them in the hands of ISIS - but the area they used to be strong in (around tikrit) has been taken back from ISIS and their baathist local allies - and even before then they had largely been sidelined by ISIS. I think that article that appeared in De Spiegel a few months back has blown up the baathists role into something it never was beyond a few individuals and networks.

What does that kid In tunisia have to do with baathism? Those foreign teenage volunteers pouring into areas where baathists were never strong, hundreds of miles from any remaining baathist influence? Of course they'll be used by opportunists who also worked with/for the baath, but absent in both those dealings will be ideological commitment to baathism - to authoritarian arab socialism.

 

[Dogsauce]

Cameron saying this demands 'a full-spectrum response'. And so it goes.

 

[editor]

Moving story:

Tunisia hotel attack: Locals form 'human shield' to protect hotel from gunman Seifeddine Rezgui

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...l-from-gunman-seifeddine-rezgui-10350998.html

And then there's:

Labour Candidate Amran Hussain Slammed For Taking Selfie At Scene Of Tunisia Beach Massacre

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/201...isia-beach-massacre_n_7685212.html?1435566518

 

[Pickman's model]

Moving story:

Tunisia hotel attack: Locals form 'human shield' to protect hotel from gunman Seifeddine Rezgui

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...l-from-gunman-seifeddine-rezgui-10350998.html

And then there's:

Labour Candidate Amran Hussain Slammed For Taking Selfie At Scene Of Tunisia Beach Massacre

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/201...isia-beach-massacre_n_7685212.html?1435566518

i see amran hussein couldn't find anyone willing to take a picture of him there.

 

[ManchesterBeth]

Yup. Convenience I think - the base motivators of money and power are never far away from the dealings of the ex high level baathists. Especially ex military. The sophistication of the cash generation engine for IS in the region is quite sophisticated and seemingly self funding - thsta quite interesting for an insurgent movement I think.

Not only that, ba'athism isn't incompatible with fundamental islamism at its core.

 

[Pickman's model]

Not only that, ba'athism isn't incompatible with fundamental islamism at its core.

i thought that at its core ba'athism traditionally secular.

 

[ManchesterBeth]

i thought that at its core ba'athism traditionally secular.

Secular is a useless abstraction when applied to the middle east.

 

[brogdale]

Cameron saying this demands 'a full-spectrum response'. And so it goes.

Indeed. Here's another few km of high security fencing at Calais to keep out the ISIS animals.

 

[Pickman's model]

Secular is a useless abstraction when applied to the middle east.

good soundbite sadly lacking in substance

 

[ManchesterBeth]

good soundbite sadly lacking in substance

Ok. Let me put it this way. The idea of secularism when applied to Islam (and the islamic world) completely breaks down because the authority of islam is not tied to anything resembling a state structure. Islam can be made statist, but it isn't inherently so.