37 killed in attack on Tunisian tourist beach resort
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5t3IIa
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Chap on BBC (based in Tunis I think) was saying the opposite yesterday. It's easy for Isis to attack Tunisia as they have people there, and have done for some time. Attacking anywhere else was out of their reach...
Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
They're right next door in Libya now , thousands of them . Jihadi johns been tracked to there too . IS could be in control of Tunisia this time next year if things carry on the way theyre going .All thanks to that destruction of Libya so many were cheering on and glad to see .
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Be interesting to find out whether the perpetrators were "home-grown" or blow-ins from Libya and other currently-fermenting NA states.
Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
The fucktard responsible was Tunisian . An engineering student with no criminal record and not on anyone's list , never travelled out of the country . Fond of partying and break dancing . Talk of the radicalisation taking place in his local mosque some months earlier .
Cold little fucker . Spent an hour strolling along the beach beforehand selecting his targets, chatting and laughing with the tourists . AK hidden in a parasol . Walked into the sea for a symbolic wash then came out and immediately shot a woman dead . Then calmly went about his rampage .
The pic I've seen on Al Masdar shows him posing for a video with 2 Kalashnikovs in the background . So it's likely there'll be more of them . A few thousand Tunisians have made their way to Syria and Libya next door is chock full of all sorts of lunatics now that the west have destroyed it .
gentlegreen
I hummus, therefore I am ...
I was hanging out in a Paltalk room for the first few months of this year "Believers vs Non-believers" ... mostly a bunch of American ex-Christians dealing with the damage done to them, with religious crazies coming in to practice their apologetics - not many of them Muslims.
But there's a pleasant but naive young Tunisian woman who visits - usually gets kicked for spamming the room with repetitive anti-Israeli stuff, but she keeps coming in ..
She links to evidence of the liberal nature of Tunisian society - claims she's a "cultural Muslim" ... someone in the room persuaded her to join him is a fairly mainstream Muslim room where her position was mooted as an option - to much incomprehension ...
Poor kid - clearly lives in a bubble ...
But there's a pleasant but naive young Tunisian woman who visits - usually gets kicked for spamming the room with repetitive anti-Israeli stuff, but she keeps coming in ..
She links to evidence of the liberal nature of Tunisian society - claims she's a "cultural Muslim" ... someone in the room persuaded her to join him is a fairly mainstream Muslim room where her position was mooted as an option - to much incomprehension ...
Poor kid - clearly lives in a bubble ...
weltweit
Well-Known Member
Nearly 40 people dead, does it really matter how many were British?
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
This action isn't strong evidence that the nature of Tunisian society isn't generally liberal, any more than the massacre in Norway by Breivik means that Norway is a hotbed of white supremacists.
Beware of generalising from the action of one man to the nature of the society he grew up in.
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
it probably matters to the people waiting for the doorbell to go and there being coppers on the doorstep, and politically it matters because the greater the number of Brits etc.. killed, the greater the political requirement/feeling for an intensification of UK etc.. military action against IS.
this effects you, because you'll be paying for it, and if it goes wrong your society will be left with the pieces.
weltweit
Well-Known Member
Of course it matters to the individual's families and friends, but we have this odd phenomenon on our news reports nightly where we are told of disasters after which the presenter tells us how many Brits were involved. I.e. "don't worry" only johnny foreigners were killed! I find it offensive!
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
and finally...
weltweit
Well-Known Member
and finally what?
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
its the 'non-news' bit at the end of the news broadcast - '..Mrs Miggins's cat was successfully retrieved from the tree by firefighters after an hour - and finally, several hundred people we don't care about and who's country we couldn't find on a map have died. probably, its what they do out there...'.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
just so
Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
According to a number of reports Tunisians were pleading with him to stop killing the tourists , and he was just sneering at them . As he was wandering through the streets picking people off ,builders on the roofs were lobbing bricks and even bags of cement at him . Pity they missed , he deserved that type of ignominious end .
weltweit
Well-Known Member
Yes, I also heard that there were quite a few security guards at the resort, but they were all unarmed and could not do much to prevent the killer with his AK47 going about his rampage.
The danger lies within the minds of individuals. Many people are really, really pissed off with the US/uk foreign policy. Some people are so pissed off that they decide to get violent. There's really no way of predicting who those people might be.
It's called "blowback." Shades of Che Guevara in Guatemala. Something our governments never take into account when they happily decide to start bombing yet another country. You just can't do that stuff without serious future consequences.
How horrible.
Doctor Carrot
Marxist Henchman
Was watching a news report yesterday and someone had put a sign next to the scene saying 'Why?' The reporter said something like 'That's a question that seemingly has no answer' and I thought to myself 'yes it does' and it's in large part due to what you just said. It's so spectacularly obvious really and yet those with power just can't see it, or they can but don't care. I mean there's obviously no concern for yours and mine's safety because if there was, country after country wouldn't carry on being destabilised like Iraq, Libya and so on. Until it's recognised that this happens every day in that part of the world, has been happening every day for decades and is largely down to imperialism then this type of thing won't stop. I'm frankly amazed it's not worse.
Patteran
A nowadays excuse
Brief interview with builder who stopped attacker.
http://www.channel4.com/news/hero-of-sousse-mayel-moncef-tried-to-stop-tunisia-attack
Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
It's going to get worse sadly . We are nowhere near the peak of this thing .
Next door in Libya we've got IS going into schools and beheading people in front of the kids as part of their lessons, as their actual education . That is solely and directly the fault of NATO and their media poodles . Those kids are unlikely to unlearn these types of lessons .
Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
For what it's worth thousands of Tunisians have taken to the streets protesting against the murders . The government have promised to shut down around 80 mosques that are actively spreading this madness in Tunisia ...bit late but better than nothing . Also it seems the killers immediate family has been arrested . Remaining relatives claim the whole family is sickened by his actions , and they believe he was turned when he left to be a student in a nearby town . The mosque there would appear to be one of those on the naughty list .
It'd be interesting to find out how many of these mosques have been Saudi funded . Not that we are likely to ever find out as the wiki leaks Saudi cables have told us a great deal about Saudi influence over the media globally . Not that the media bothered to inform you of that. , unsurprisingly .
It'd be interesting to find out how many of these mosques have been Saudi funded . Not that we are likely to ever find out as the wiki leaks Saudi cables have told us a great deal about Saudi influence over the media globally . Not that the media bothered to inform you of that. , unsurprisingly .
Doctor Carrot
Marxist Henchman
You're right, sadly. I had Robert Fisk in mind when he said something like 'I've lived in the middle east for 30 odd years, see what the west has done and i'm amazed at the arab world's restraint.' That beheading thing is beyond grim if it's true, which I don't really doubt. Eurgh.
Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
There's a picture of it ..thankfully pixelated ..up on Al Masdar . The guys standing there posing for the camera with all these little kids standing around him . Kids don't look too upset either . Which is what's truly worrying .
Eta
They seem to be 6 year olds
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ATOMIC SUPLEX
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Crikey. I've stayed at that resort. Terrifying.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
In city that ISIS have been driven out from - by the towns residents. Stop spreading ISIS propaganda.
A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
'Soeley', so people in ISIS have no free will? Thats just a little paternalistic isn't it?
Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
They can have all the free will they want . The fact is though until NATO rendered the Libyan state ungovernable and unable to defend its citizens from Islamic extremists , that shower of bastards would have been strung up by the balls on sight . NATO created the conditions in which they have military , political and social freedom of action by systematically destroying Libyan state institutions by use of military force .
Just as they've done in Iraq and , by means of numerous proxies, in Syria too . They simply wouldn't be there only for the fact NATO made it physically possible in the first place .
IS would be nobodies only for the fact the NATO powers have wiped out or weakened the very secular institutions which have, without a shred of doubt, proven the most able at keeping these sort of scumbags under the cosh for a very long time .While simultaneously creating the perfect conditions for them to thrive . Namely , destabilisation , war , chaos and mass misery through a variety of means . Not least sanctions .
Western adventurism , whether of the Bush Blair or Clinton Blair variety , liberal or conservate, has created this . This is their new world order .
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