2nd Referendum - it has no purpose because it will solve nothing
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danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
I doubt very much that forums such as this impinged on enough people's consciousness to make any difference at all. Furthermore, you seem not to have taken the trouble to find out the variety of views held by members here. "What would Trotsky do?" you asked, but I think you'd be hard pressed to find many Trotskyists here these days. You talk of the far left and Jezza in the same breath. Corbyn is barely a social democrat: his public ownership policies would have seemed unattainably right wing to Ted Heath's government. You will find Corbyn supporters here, but you'll also find many - like me - who think he's inept, wet, insubstantial, and that he represents a dead end.
On Brexit, you will find "remoaners", but you'll also find many here who voted leave. And you'll find others, like me, who look at the polarised camps and think neither represents my interests. (It mostly looks to me like the golf club and the liberal party plant sale emptied at the same time and are having a limp handed slap fight at the bus stop).
You are about as well informed as the camera operator in that video of the numpties who messed up the book displays in the SWP bookshop. Which is to say, not informed in the slightest.
Puddy_Tat
naturally fluffy
isn't that the point of the welfare "reforms"?
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
Yes, but you're not supposed to say so!
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
Whatever else you are, you're not a parent are you?
editor
hiraethified
cybershot
Well-Known Member
It was in jest. I sometimes like to not include the wink for added effect. Especially when it gets comments about being‘progressive’
Sorry, but I don't really understand what you are stating or asking. Honestly, it is not clear.
And I will not set about rephrasing any of it for fear of sounding like a Spice Girl or John Major.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
If you wanna be my lover you gotta get with the french
Membership forever, Europe never ends
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
That's an interesting point.
I'm coming round to the idea that any repdem Government abdicating responsibility for the governance of their fellow citizens that they presume should (constitutionally) be committed to a referendum re-run after 5 years. (Might stop them using the get out?) After all the (Parliamentary) "will of the people" has a shelf-life of 5 years max according to the FTPA, so why not plebiscites as well?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Yeh Well it'll happen despite all your turgid bleating
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
Reminds me that rascal pig man actually tried to re-register and post the exact same thread as the last however-many-it's-been times today. It got caught by the filter though and I deleted it. Sorry.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
The will of the people fairly permanent, didn't see Alexander II getting up again after five years after his encounter with narodnaya volya
Puddy_Tat
naturally fluffy
With all due respect, I herewith submit my very official and ever-so-legal request that you might give your fullest consideration to the concept of fuck right off and never darken my screen again. I bid you "good day", Sir!
Now then, let's see. Um. Ahem. Um. O, you know, Va te faire foutre. Oder so was. Geh ficken. Queue chose of that nature, sort of thing, you know.
(enough to keep those foreign Johnnies happy, eh?)
No use. It is a *bit* gibberish, but I don't think it can match Friedrich, I'm afraid. Good try, though.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Fucking nerve.No use. It is a *bit* gibberish, but I don't think it can match Friedrich, I'm afraid. Good try, though.
Aw. Spoilsport.
Anyway, he might have new things to say. Admittedly, probably rascal dogpig monkey or something, but you never know.
Oh, except that you have had the pleasure of his new rantings, FridgeMagnet, and have spared the rest of us. For which valuable service to our beloved country, many grateful thanks. Hip Hip Hurrah! Hip Hip Replacement on the NHS staffed only by poorly skilled people!
(this damn Kindle keyboard wanted "ratskull" instead of "rascal". I quite like that, really.)
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
Perhaps it's learning. It catches more putinbots now too.
Didn't catch this thread mind you so I don't think we need to be welcoming our new bulletin board filter overlords quite yet.
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
I admit that I didn't do a careful comparison of the new thread to other ones. Perhaps, even though they look like identical cut-and-pastes, they are in fact changing subtly and with each new reincarnation getting closer to perfection.Aw. Spoilsport.
Anyway, he might have new things to say. Admittedly, probably rascal dogpig monkey or something, but you never know.
Oh, except that you have had the pleasure of his new rantings, FridgeMagnet, and have spared the rest of us. For which valuable service to our beloved country, many grateful thanks. Hip Hip Hurrah! Hip Hip Replacement on the NHS staffed only by poorly skilled people!
(this damn Kindle keyboard wanted "ratskull" instead of "rascal". I quite like that, really.)
This. Of course most people knew the Brexiteers were a bunch of promise liars. Just as everyone knows that the smoke and mirrors of the EU is just lies to cover up business interests.
Remainers treat leavers like gullible, thick idiots. Laughing about red busses. But in all honesty it’s the people who think the EU is there representing them that are the fools.
Like the so called ‘freedom of movement’. Does anyone actually know anyone personally whose gone oh yeah, I’m just gonna get a job in another European country? No, I bet not. Who the hell does that? Just spend a few years in Brussels or Berlin, yeah right. People don’t want to leave their families and their country for the most part.
Those that do move do so out of economic desperation. On the main. To take jobs at or way below the minimum wage.
The ‘freedom of movement’ isn’t there for you to not have to queue at passport control, or for musicians to go on tour, or to ease gap years. It’s there to move cheap labour from poor countries to richer countries to exploit it for profit.
The Remainers in Government don’t give a shiny shit about our children’s future. They give a shit about markets.
Oh. FridgeMagnet. Oh! 
Ah, but when the end of the Quest is reached, and that transcendent moment gained, when one at last attains the true perfection, that for which so many strive in vain, when Perfection is truly found, what then but to become One with Perfection, to die - Nay! Let us not say "die", when that which we mean is to gain the eternity of the very heavens, to be at once with all that was, all that will be in saecula saeculorum and all that shit and never to infest Urban ever again.
Ever!
Ah, but when the end of the Quest is reached, and that transcendent moment gained, when one at last attains the true perfection, that for which so many strive in vain, when Perfection is truly found, what then but to become One with Perfection, to die - Nay! Let us not say "die", when that which we mean is to gain the eternity of the very heavens, to be at once with all that was, all that will be in saecula saeculorum and all that shit and never to infest Urban ever again.
Ever!
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
TBF, I think that's just as much of a generalisation about remainers as the ones you highlight as being made about Brexiteers.
Not every remainer is starry-eyed about Europe, or think that there's absolutely nothing wrong with Europe as it is; it's just that, for many, it's better than the alternative, and for others, there will be a feeling that the manifest failings of the European project are better addressed from inside the tent pissing out, than outside the tent, pissing in.
Do they?
Some do. My friend Sheila wandered off to Finland (OK, partly to get very far from her rather unpleasant, given to domestic violence bloke) after a while moved to Germany (Munich, last I met her). Of course, she did speak German anyway, but anyone moving anywhere would obviously bother to learn basic bits of language of country of destination. I am pretty sure we have at least one member of Urban who decided to up sticks and move abroad.
I am not sure that really is the case.
Yes. Agreed. Much of the real purpose is about ease of capital to stroll about, settle manufacture there ( where cheaper labour available), put its financial operations in another place etc.
This is not news. It is not lovely and nice, but that is not a novel and original observation. When the UK leaves the EU, in which ways will things become better for the ordinary person on whichever omnibus?
The "Remainers" are not in Government. The "leavers" are. I don't really know how much of a shiny shirt Theresa May gives, or Stephen Barclay. I think they might not care very much, but that's just me. Clearly you do think they give enough shiny shit, which is great.
I really hope this all works out well for everyone. Surely it will, because this leaving is so very well organised by the government.
Sorry, I wish I could write with more detail, but my computer has died and this sodding Kindle is horrible to type with.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Yeh. But the eu itself played no part in the referendum. So you're comparing apples and oranges here.
not sure anyone thinks the eu represents them. Represents them to who?
there's a lost bet. I know people who've moved abroad in Europe and quite a few urbs have come here from elsewhere.
not sure where you're getting this from
how does the way that pre-2004 members could prevent free movement from eg Bulgaria and Romania for years fit into this?
no one in government gives a shiny shit, be they leaver or remainer
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