17 I.D.F. soldiers on rape charges

[rachamim18]

Panda: I hesitate to even post this since the thread has rebounded , but I feel your recklessness needs to be addressed. I did, as I said I would, look at your referenced paper last evening. Sad to say, it is a joke. I knew that the authors sounded familiar. They are part of the "team" that published that laughingstock of a paper that claimed MDMA kills. Geez...

Here are just a couple of things to ponder, if you actually care; In "Toxicology and Pathology of Deaths Related to Methadone: Retrospective Review [Western Journal of Medicine, 172[1] , Steven B. Karch and Boyd G. Stephens examined umpteenth post mortems of methadone tolerated adults who were otherwise drug and disease free. I will post their conclusions verbatim:" The presence of methadone is often an incidental finding during postmortem examinations which is UNRELATED TO THE CAUSE OF DEATH [emphasis of course by me]."

For additional findings, see "Health Consequences Associated With Use of Methadone" [NIDA Monographs pp 83-1201, 1983] and "Medical Safety and Side Effects of Methadone Tolerant Individuals" [JAMA 223 {6} pp 665 -668, 1973] both by M.J. Kreek, et al.

Also, as for your truly reckless claim that heroin maintanence [licit or illicit] is safer than licit methadone maintanence, I will offer this for the Addiction Treatment Forum, verbatim: Deaths due to ANY causes in methadone- treated patients are three to four times LESS LIKELY than in untreated addicts."
www.atforum.com/SiteRoot/pages/faqs/faqs2health.html

One more thing, I have Steven Karch's email url if you would like to pose any questions or comments on this issue. I am but an interested [and effected] individual, he of course is a world reknowned researcher who could certainly help you see the error of your ways. Let me know, I will p.m. it to you.

[Edited to change capitalisation and add parentheses]

 

[rachamim18]

Descartes: NCO Taysir has admitted to 2nd Degree Murder. He did so in open court, with no prodding. I suggest you start examing thrid party media accounts so that you can stop sounding like a patsy. I will ask you what I ask far too many here, would you accept the Israeli Foreign Ministry or IDF sites as bonafide sources? OF course not. Why then would you even bother to trot out nonsense from partisan sites from the other end of the spectrum?
Then, at the end of that sad post you added that NCO Taysir committed perjury in trying to justify the mnurder of Mr. Hundall? Seems you are a bit confused.


On the following post about the killing of a media cameraman, you offer [via your source of course], "WITNESSES identify [the shooter] as an Israeli soldier." Common sense shows that "Palestinians," most of whom [present there] were militants and hardcore supporters are always going to blame it on Israel. They are not going to volunteer that militants shot an Arab cameraman!!! That is, if the man filmed "pointing a gun towards the cameraman EVEN pulled the trigger! All they have is footage of an unidentified man poiting a gun in the direction of a person who would be killed by gunshot a little while later. WOW. THEN, TO TOP IT ALL OFF, it is "unknown if there was anyone standing behind the camerman that might have actually been targeted by the IDF!!!!!!!!!" Sorry, but if one CHOOSES to enter a war zone they are quite clearly taking it upon themselves to place themselves in danger! All your "evidence"is hardly even circumstantial. It would not suffice in court so why parade it here?

 

[pembrokestephen]

Sorry, but if one CHOOSES to enter a war zone they are quite clearly taking it upon themselves to place themselves in danger! All your "evidence"is hardly even circumstantial. It would not suffice in court so why parade it here?

You know, I thought the British Army was bad enough at claiming to be infallible, but listening to your representations on behalf of the IDF, it's clear to me that - at least as far as you are concerned - they are utterly, totally beyond reproach. An unarmed cameraman gets neckshotted by an Israeli soldier, and "What does he expect? He's in a war zone" (I'll refrain from the obvious statement that it would appear that anywhere the IDF are to be found seems to become a de facto "war zone"). Some young girl gets gang raped by a bunch of IDF - "ah well, they weren't really soldiers as such, and she wasn't really raped as such...".

What's your response going to be when Isra'el finally - as seems somewhat inevitable - drops a nuke somewhere..."oops, ah well, accidents happen. Serves 'em right for being there in the first place *shrug*". I have no idea what your agenda for being here is, rachamim18, but what you achieve, in my view, is to give first-hand examples of how cold and detached a disregard for life the Israeli state seems to possess: if your attitude is representative of that of Israel, then I have considerable sympathy for the Palestinians, even their extremist organisations.

 

[rachamim18]

Descartes: Yes, the British Govt. that has held an arms embargo against Israel for years is now colluding with them to protect an Israeli for prosecution for the murder of a British subject. Right. got it.


As for the widow's claim that Israel has deliberately released misleading and conflicting evidence, when an investigation is underway, this is what often happens. In most cases, investigators worlds over would not feed the press play by play progress reports. However, due to both the sensitive nature of the case and the understandably traumatised widow's incessant complaining to the press, Israel is compelled to offer what little it finds, as it is found.


Her statement that it is her family that has been left to do an "investigation" due to the failure of both Israel and the UK is utter nonsense. I am surethat she is well aware that Israel FULLY investigates each every incident involving the death [reportedly at the hands of Israelis] of a foreigner. That it takes so long is indicative of a thorough investigation, not "sweeping it under the rug." Understandably, the widow finds it quite frustrating.


Of course I know nothing of what "pressure" British diplomats might or might not have applied to the widow durring her time in Israel. Knowing what I do of UK/Israeli relations however, her claim makes no sense.

The Israeli officer accused of killing her husband has given 6 conflicting testimonies? What is her point? What does that have to do with the State of Israel? Again, non-sensical.


As for the Welsh woman offering her opinion of Israeli counter terrorism tactics, she has no clue what she is talking about. That she chooses to sip tea with the murderer [and the man inviolved had 11 bodies on count] is her business. That Israeli troops followed proper military protocol is theirs. As I have stated in another thread recently, "a confirmation shot" is normal operational procedure when approaching a a dangerous individual who appears dead. This is done so that the subject does not try to take soldiers with him or her. If the soldiers decided to murder one man, why not murder the second militant [also wanted for boies, and to that end the foreigner as well? why leave witnesses? See, her claim makes absolutely no sense. She is obviously chummy with militants, it is a fair bet to assume that she would not commend the IDF for anything. Her words should be taken with a grain of salt.


The Australian member of ISM, shot in the head with a rubber bullet should be grateful he only got that. When you CHOSSE to enter a war zone of a place you have no connection with, you have NO room to complain when anything happens to you. You CHOSE to go there. You CHOSE to participate in an illegal street demo. You CHOSE to remain there when militants used it as cover to start the kids off slinging rocks. You CHOSE to stay there as the AK boys popped up.

ISM is a group that supports the use of indiscriminate use of violence against Israeli civilains. As such, NO member has the right [rationally anyway] to complain when INADVERTANTLY injured during the course of law enforcement.


Yes, thank you for the brief Hebrew and history lesson. I think everyone here alrready knows who and what LEHI were. Do you know how the MURDERERS of the UN Mediator were arrested? No? The Yishuv turned them in. In other words, although there were certainly Jewish terrorists, they never enjoyed acceptance OR support from the Jews of the Yishuv. Bit of a difference from what goes on in Gaza or the so called "West Bank."

 

[rachamim18]

Descartes: Plagiarism is a nasty thing. Please, if you insist on using partisan propaganda in placeof original thought, attribute your sources. Your post on the death of the 17 year old man in Jenin, aside from being factually wrong, is the work of an Arab who uses the pen name "Justin Huggler." One thing you did leave out from his "article" though, is that even he, in hopes of feigning a modicum of objectivity, offered that this incident "Was impossible to confirm." See, it is little things like that that make all the difference. Please take note.


As for your list of Arab deaths, not allwere even the worls of Jews, let alone LEHI. Second of all, the number of Jews killed in that period is higher. Ergo, what was your point.

Also, Arabs iniated the communal violence in 1920 and continued it without ANY Jewish organised response until 1936!!! Seems you neglected that as well.

 

[tangentlama]

The Israeli Army says the protesters threw rocks at its troops and physically assaulted them.

It says two border policemen have been lightly injured.

The Israeli Army ALWAYS says 'the protestors threw rocks at it's troops', even if those throwing the rocks are Mista'aravim (disguised 'Arabised' Israelis)

 

[pembrokestephen]

Descartes: Plagiarism is a nasty thing. Please, if you insist on using partisan propaganda in placeof original thought, attribute your sources. Your post on the death of the 17 year old man in Jenin, aside from being factually wrong, is the work of an Arab who uses the pen name "Justin Huggler."

You make it sound almost as if the fact of this man being an Arab is a bad thing...

What are you trying to say, rachamin? Do you believe that no Arab tells the truth? Is there some significance in the manner in which you describe this "Arab's" use of a pen name?

Are you really as racist and viciously bigoted as you appear to be against anyone who doesn't see Israel's behaviour through the same rose-tinted spectacles as you do?

 

[rachamim18]

Pembroke: Why would it ever be neccessary to list "Palestinians" in every post? You make no sense. If you notice my thousand odd other posts in this forum emntion the label many, many times. Again, what is your point?


"The IDF is beyond reproach." Clearly, you have not read very many of my posts. I suggest you do whatever it is you do to calm down, then reexamine my posts in other threads. Emotional people rarely make sense.

Then, you confuse me with another poster. I never said that the soldiers ACCUSED of raping the 11 year old were "not really soldiers." See what I mean about emotion? In fact I did say , in other words, that she was NOT raped. She was taken advantage of surely. She was grossly abused. But she was qa willing participant and in that part of the world 11 is not what it is in the UK. Perhaps if you remove your cultural blinders, as well as your emotion, you'll begin to really understand things.

It is "ievitable that Israel will drop a nuke soemwhere?" Really? Why would that be? Please explain.

My agenda? Well, it is certainly clrear that you do not read alot of what is posted here. Just yesterday I offered that I am here to learn and to help others learn, about different points of view concerning a dynamic that is indicative of the human condition.

As for "cold," how would you ever hope to maturely discuss a contentious subject without removing as much emotion as possible? You make no sense really. Do other views threan you? If so, why?

My attitude is only representative ofme. Sraelis are individuals. I do not dictate policy. Please trya bit of maturity. Thanks.

 

[rachamim18]

Tangent: IF undercover agents throw ricks, it is to fit in. They never initiaite such activities though.

Pembroke: Being an Arab is a bad thing? Nope. Pretending to be a disaffected third party while being a member of an affected party is however. It is disingenuous at best, outright deceitful and manipulative at worst. Think that this would be abit of common sense.

 

[Descartes]

Thank you, Rachamim18, that is exactly the response I expected.

You have clearly and without any doubt both underlined and exentuate my original comments as to yur own brain washing as to the rights and wrongs of the actions of the Israeli forces,

Perhaps you would like to comment on the Lehi, or even the 1956 plotting with France and Britain, the 1993, The signed agreement between Arafat, Rabin and with the consenus of the USA that was destroyed by Baruch Goldstein on Feb 25th 1994 when he burst into the Ibrahimi Mosque and killed 29 Muslims at prayer before being bludgeon to feath.. A similar number of arabs were killed in Hebron later in the day....

then 2000, the Jerusalem Intifada, On Sept 28th 2000, Sharon with a 1,000 policemen marched on Harem al-Sharif to demand that israeli should never give up the Temple mount to Arafat. .. this led to fighting were four Palestinians were killed and the Al-Aqsa Intifada' began with the wholesale slaughter of palestinians ( over 500 killed )

Now, if you would like more examples, no problem, but consider, all your protestation in merely to deny without offering a clear and documented alternative only undermines and denigrates your whole argument.

You have already clearly demonstrated your total lack of consideration for the facts, you have given the reader an insight into your lack of values of human life, and displayed an insufferable arrogance which is totally misplaced.

If this is your public face, you are doing more for the Palestinians than you could ever imagine. Keep this up and the PLO and it's followers will be inundated with supporters.

For which, I can only say, Thank you very much.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Panda: I hesitate to even post this since the thread has rebounded , but I feel your recklessness needs to be addressed. I did, as I said I would, look at your referenced paper last evening. Sad to say, it is a joke. I knew that the authors sounded familiar. They are part of the "team" that published that laughingstock of a paper that claimed MDMA kills. Geez...

Is that it then, just some "guilt by association", no facts, no data?

Pardon me if I don't take your word for it, but your word is poor currency.

Here are just a couple of things to ponder, if you actually care; In "Toxicology and Pathology of Deaths Related to Methadone: Retrospective Review [Western Journal of Medicine, 172[1] , Steven B. Karch and Boyd G. Stephens examined umpteenth post mortems of methadone tolerated adults who were otherwise drug and disease free. I will post their conclusions verbatim:" The presence of methadone is often an incidental finding during postmortem examinations which is UNRELATED TO THE CAUSE OF DEATH [emphasis of course by me]."

Umpteenth? They examined 38 cases where methadone had been found post mortem. Didn't you read the abstract you googled properly?
Did you miss "...38 cases out of the 3317 processed by our office during 1997-1998 were identified in which methadone had been detected..." :rollseyes:
If you're stupid enough to weigh a case review assessment of a total of 38 cases as somehow being extrapolateable into a general "Law" then you're an idiot.
Unrelated to the cause of death in 38 cases means zilch in the real world, little warrior.

For additional findings, see "Health Consequences Associated With Use of Methadone" [NIDA Monographs pp 83-1201, 1983] and "Medical Safety and Side Effects of Methadone Tolerant Individuals" [JAMA 223 {6} pp 665 -668, 1973] both by M.J. Kreek, et al.

I'll read them over the weekend. Hopefully they'll be a little more substantial than the Karch bullshit you're evangelising about.

Also, as for your truly reckless claim that heroin maintanence [licit or illicit] is safer than licit methadone maintanence, I will offer this for the Addiction Treatment Forum, verbatim: Deaths due to ANY causes in methadone- treated patients are three to four times LESS LIKELY than in untreated addicts."
www.atforum.com/SiteRoot/pages/faqs/faqs2health.html

Again with your claim that I made a reckless claim.
I've already told you I claimed nothing, I related my personal experiece.
Are you so desperate to "score points" that you're having to repeat yourself, or is your memory faulty?

One more thing, I have Steven Karch's email url if you would like to pose any questions or comments on this issue. I am but an interested [and effected] individual, he of course is a world reknowned researcher who could certainly help you see the error of your ways. Let me know, I will p.m. it to you.

[Edited to change capitalisation and add parentheses]

Don't bother. If I want to contact him I can get his details myself.

 

[ViolentPanda]

If this is your public face, you are doing more for the Palestinians than you could ever imagine. Keep this up and the PLO and it's followers will be inundated with supporters.

For which, I can only say, Thank you very much.

Someone did speculate a while ago that he was a "bot" written by anti-Zionists to piss fence-sitters off so badly that they became a-Z.

Personally I believe he's an arrogant fool.

 

[pembrokestephen]

Pembroke: Why would it ever be neccessary to list "Palestinians" in every post? You make no sense. If you notice my thousand odd other posts in this forum emntion the label many, many times. Again, what is your point?

I just found it more than slightly interesting that in a long rant about Israeli's apparent responsibilities in the West Bank and Gaza, you completely failed to make any mention of the indigenous population. A small thing, I realise. Do excuse me for nitpicking.

"The IDF is beyond reproach." Clearly, you have not read very many of my posts. I suggest you do whatever it is you do to calm down, then reexamine my posts in other threads. Emotional people rarely make sense.

I am assuming that the posts of yours that I've seen on this thread are likely to be representative of your oeuvre - it'd be slightly weird if that weren't the case, and you really, really aren't so important that I'm going to research every word you've written before I pass comment...

Then, you confuse me with another poster. I never said that the soldiers ACCUSED of raping the 11 year old were "not really soldiers." See what I mean about emotion? In fact I did say , in other words, that she was NOT raped. She was taken advantage of surely. She was grossly abused. But she was qa willing participant and in that part of the world 11 is not what it is in the UK. Perhaps if you remove your cultural blinders, as well as your emotion, you'll begin to really understand things.

You don't know me from Adam, there's nothing in any of my posts to you to betray a particularly emotional attitude on my part: so how about going a bit easy on the ad hominem, and maybe it won't look quite so much like you're incapable of debating on the merits, and having to resort to that kind of tactic to prevail, hm?

It is "ievitable that Israel will drop a nuke soemwhere?" Really? Why would that be? Please explain.

My opinion only, but when you have a society which seems to be driven so strongly by its racial superiority over an overwhelmingly larger number of neighbours, I'd say that the risks of Israel using a nuke in extremis are definitely up there on a par with say Pakistan or India doing the same. And I have a feeling that, with the way things are going in the Middle East right now, that in extremis situation could arise sooner rather than later.

[remainder of patronising rubbish snipped]

 

[rachamim18]

Descartes: I already posted about LEHI or have you already forgotten?


1956? You mean suez? While I certainly defend Israel's concern over talks of nationalising the canal responsible for the bulk of Israeli imports, I deplore the terrible and evil acts Israeli Intel committed on egyptian soil. See, unlike you, I recognise that nothing is balck and white. One can believe in soemthing wholeheartedly without being blinded by said belief. I suggest you pay attention to that sentiment.

As I have already demonstrated, Golsdstein sdid not destroy any agreement since Oslo II was signed almost a year AFTER the terror attack. Furthermore, what you refer to as the "Ibrahimi Mosque" [at least you did not call it a Temple this time] is in fact a cave. The cave, was a shrine of the Jews for more than a thousand years before the first Arab stepped into history, let alone a Muslim Arab. Referring to it as the "Cave of the Patriarchs" demonstrates respect for not only Muslims, but Jews and Christains as well. The Muslims did not creat the shrine. It seems that you just print propaganda verbatim with no attributions at all.

You also ignored the fact that Goldstein's direct ancestors [and mine] were wiped off the face of the Earth in and around the same mosque almost 70 years before. Things do not happen in a vacuum, as you seem to suggest. You might try for balance if at least not rationality.

The "2nd Intifadeh" did not happen because sharon chose to exercise his rights and walk atop the Jews' most Holy of Holies. As I have pointed out in a very recent thread, through documentation obtained from Arafat's own safe in the Ramallah Compound, it is a well known proven fact that the "2nd Intifadeh" was thoroughly planned 11 months in advance of Sharon's "walk."

Furthermore, are you suggesting that any Israeli should NOT have the right to walk in a public Israeli space? Are you suggesting that ANY Jew should be barred from visiting the Jews; holiest space? Are you suggesting that the leader of Israel did not have a right to visit ANY part of his nation? Please qualify your statement.


Um, you make no sense at all, as well as demonstrating patent ignorance. If you want to provide a hundred more "samples," feel free. However, without balance, you are not learning a thing. Tell me, how many Israeli sites do yuo requent? How many books written from a right wing Israeli pointof view do you read? If you do not, and I think it is a safe bet to say you never have, how can you tell what is true and what is not?

I will remind you that I acknowledge both LEHI and Goldberg as terrorists of the worst kind. I do not blindly support anything. Can you say the same?

You thank me for bringing supporters to the PLO? No need. See, the PLO predates my birth by 3 years. I was born the same year that Israel gained both Gaza and the so called "West Bank." So much for fighting the "Occupation" I guess.

I wish you would notice soemthing else. while yopu disparage me, I disparage your lack of proven facts. Bit of a difference you just might want tothinkabout. this forum and thread is not about me. It is about issues. If you think ill of me, whatever. Just concentrate on proving your facts, not on proving what a racist this or that I am.

 

[moono]

Rachamim;

But she was qa willing participant and in that part of the world 11 is not what it is in the UK. Perhaps if you remove your cultural blinders, as well as your emotion, you'll begin to really understand things.

Rachamim, describing the brutal murder of a Palestinian schoolgirl by an IOF thug, a murder in which the 'soldier' stood over her and emptied his clip;

it was a good kill

Right. 11 is not what it is in the UK.

An Israeli army officer who fired the entire magazine of his automatic rifle into a 13-year-old Palestinian girl and then said he would have done the same even if she had been three years old was acquitted on all charges by a (Israeli) military court yesterday.

http://www.melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2005/11/99639.php

Neither is 13. Neither is 3.

 

[rachamim18]

Panda: "Umpteenth." I suggest you reread the paper. Better yet, read the book that it is excerpted from. Tha primary author of the paper, and author of the book, is a world reknowned neuroscientist. Of course you are more knowledgeable, I understand that, but just try to bow a little and live among us mere mortals. Karch b.s.? Yep, I mean what good is a PhD from Brown anyway?

I truly hope you read the others. While you are at it, here is a rather good break down on all releant facets of methadone:

www.methadone.net/Documents/Methadone_Associated_Mortality.htm

As for the rest, whatever, whatever. Oh, and I am a bot as well as an arrogant fool. You crazy kids are the cats meow. What's next? Eating live goldfish?

 

[ViolentPanda]

Panda: "Umpteenth." I suggest you reread the paper.

I suggest you do. Anyone who mistakes 38 cases for "umpteen" has some kind of memory problem.

Better yet, read the book that it is excerpted from. Tha primary author of the paper, and author of the book, is a world reknowned neuroscientist. Of course you are more knowledgeable,

I haven't claimed to be more knowledgable than Professor Karch, fool.
I merely drew your attention to your inaccuracies. After all, you're the one who makes pretence to more knowledge than he actually has.

I understand that, but just try to bow a little and live among us mere mortals. Karch b.s.? Yep, I mean what good is a PhD from Brown anyway?

Step off. You're making yourself look WAY stupid.

But hey, if you REALLY feel the need to wear a sign on your back saying "kick me, I'm an arsehole", go right ahead.

I truly hope you read the others. While you are at it, here is a rather good break down on all releant facets of methadone:

www.methadone.net/Documents/Methadone_Associated_Mortality.htm

As for the rest, whatever, whatever. Oh, and I am a bot as well as an arrogant fool. You crazy kids are the cats meow. What's next? Eating live goldfish?

No, idiot child, you're an arrogant fool, but I doubt you're a 'bot (a computer program wouldn't contradict itself in the way you do) I was merely remarking that someone who has since been banned remarked that you might be such a thing

You need to read posts properly and answer the words in the posts, not the words in your head.

Poor Rachamim, such a vast intellect, such a tiny audience to dazzle with your wit and wisdom.

 

[ninjacat]

Panda: "Umpteenth." I suggest you reread the paper. Better yet, read the book that it is excerpted from. Tha primary author of the paper, and author of the book, is a world reknowned neuroscientist. Of course you are more knowledgeable, I understand that, but just try to bow a little and live among us mere mortals. Karch b.s.? Yep, I mean what good is a PhD from Brown anyway?

I truly hope you read the others. While you are at it, here is a rather good break down on all releant facets of methadone:

www.methadone.net/Documents/Methadone_Associated_Mortality.htm

As for the rest, whatever, whatever. Oh, and I am a bot as well as an arrogant fool. You crazy kids are the cats meow. What's next? Eating live goldfish?

Just quote R18 and address given above when registering for Anti-Semitic membership and you will be entitled to three good kills (Palestinian children only) ... as long as you emphatically support the killing of Palestinian children and provide biblical quotes to support Jewish claims to Israel and the killing of Palestinian children (and the tit for tat reciprocal killing of Jewish children), the Anti-Semitic Club for the Preservation of Zionists welcome you.

 

[rachamim18]

Pwembroke: It is not that I am so important that you should research my prior posts. It is merely that you choose to cast summary judgements based one one or two threads. That speaks of perhaps a rather common mistake. when you then add that you can't be bothered to look back and see if perhaps you were mistaken, it speaks of a lack of character on your part. Ironically, you then become guilty of the very things you accuse me of.

"Knowing you from Adam." AGAIN, exactly what u accuse me of. Check yourself.


"Cultural blinders" and "emotion" are now ad homs? But "racist" and "visciously bigoted" are not? Wow, it is a quickly changing world.

Racial superiuority?" Jews are Semites, the same race as Arabs. Not to mention that has almost 20% of Israel's population are non-Jews. You are not making sense again.

Mooono: What is the compulsory educational stautes in England? when are English girls culturally considered full grown women? At what age are English girls allowed to work?


As for the girl who was shot. You are just repeating my quote over and over. The thing is, only you cannot understand it. The officer NEVER said he would do it if she was three. That is fabrication. PErhaps if Arabs started employing 3 year olds as "suicide bombers," he would indeed be justified in that remark. Still, never made it. What he DID say, in the original tape, which WAS released to Israeli media in its original Hebrew was: "ANYTHING, and I mean ANYTHING that moves, it goes down." He did not say 3 or 33. Another inaccuracy in your aerticle is that the Observer in the tower did not say that in his transmission[s. He initially responded that the target [that is how subjects transversing kill zones are labeled, I know Moono that you will love that word] appeared to be a young WOMAN.

 

[moono]

Rachamim;

kill zones

Tell me about 'kill zones'.

 

[nino_savatte]

Are "kill zones" related to "punative dozing" operations?

 

[nino_savatte]

Pwembroke: It is not that I am so important that you should research my prior posts. It is merely that you choose to cast summary judgements based one one or two threads. That speaks of perhaps a rather common mistake. when you then add that you can't be bothered to look back and see if perhaps you were mistaken, it speaks of a lack of character on your part. Ironically, you then become guilty of the very things you accuse me of.

"Knowing you from Adam." AGAIN, exactly what u accuse me of. Check yourself.


"Cultural blinders" and "emotion" are now ad homs? But "racist" and "visciously bigoted" are not? Wow, it is a quickly changing world.

Racial superiuority?" Jews are Semites, the same race as Arabs. Not to mention that has almost 20% of Israel's population are non-Jews. You are not making sense again.

Mooono: What is the compulsory educational stautes in England? when are English girls culturally considered full grown women? At what age are English girls allowed to work?


As for the girl who was shot. You are just repeating my quote over and over. The thing is, only you cannot understand it. The officer NEVER said he would do it if she was three. That is fabrication. PErhaps if Arabs started employing 3 year olds as "suicide bombers," he would indeed be justified in that remark. Still, never made it. What he DID say, in the original tape, which WAS released to Israeli media in its original Hebrew was: "ANYTHING, and I mean ANYTHING that moves, it goes down." He did not say 3 or 33. Another inaccuracy in your aerticle is that the Observer in the tower did not say that in his transmission[s. He initially responded that the target [that is how subjects transversing kill zones are labeled, I know Moono that you will love that word] appeared to be a young WOMAN.

Interesting....on another thread you describe Jews and Arabs as "Caucasians", which is patently untrue. Btw, I am referring to the text that I have emboldened.

Oh aye, you wear cultural blinders and any attempt to extricate yourself will only end up making you look stupid.

 

[rachamim18]

Moono: Already did, in the other thread in which you posed the exact, same question. You have a habit of posting the same things over and over.

Nino: Jews and Arabs are not caucasians? Explain. There are admixtures and even elements within both groups who have much stronger negro characteristics but as a whole, semites are caucasian.

 

[Descartes]

Rachamim18, please continue, you are displaying a lack of comprehension of the writen word, regardless for when you were born. You are acting in the manner previosly described and assisting the belief that the IDF, the Israelis are mindless killers.

The problem is you are brain washed to believe that only you are aware of what really happened and trying to rewrite the history books to justify the unjustifiable.

Check your history books,

Please don't bother to reply. I feel it a total waste of time in trying to explain the obvious to you.

 

[nino_savatte]

Moono: Already did, in the other thread in which you posed the exact, same question. You have a habit of posting the same things over and over.

Nino: Jews and Arabs are not caucasians? Explain. There are admixtures and even elements within both groups who have much stronger negro characteristics but as a whole, semites are caucasian.

You are obviously making it up...again. You're also a little too obsessed with ethnicity to be who you say you are.

Next, you'll be using the phrases "White is right" and "white power".

Are you a racial supremacist, r18?

 

[pembrokestephen]

You are obviously making it up...again. You're also a little too obsessed with ethnicity to be who you say you are.

Next, you'll be using the phrases "White is right" and "white power".

Are you a racial supremacist, r18?

Well, he's going to say "no", isn't he?

But his words belie it - this is easily the most sinister pro-Israeli propagandist I've ever encountered...

 

[nino_savatte]

Well, he's going to say "no", isn't he?

But his words belie it - this is easily the most sinister pro-Israeli propagandist I've ever encountered...

Aye, true, I don't expect him to put his hand up and actually admit to being a racial supremacist and he would probably say that being Jewish excludes him from being a racist...but I have news for him (if he is Jewish that is) that Jews, like Blacks, can be racist.

He seems to have an awful lot of time on his hands for someone who "digs tunnels" for a living. It's the sheer volume of text, all of it repeating the same line that points to two things: he either works for some vile pro-Zionist group or he's part of some other organisation who specialise in disseminating propaganda and disrupting boards like this.

 

[pembrokestephen]

Aye, true, I don't expect him to put his hand up and actually admit to being a racial supremacist and he would probably say that being Jewish excludes him from being a racist...but I have news for him (if he is Jewish that is) that Jews, like Blacks, can be racist.

*nods* For me, one of the most saddening and scary things about the hardline Zionist position is that they seem to operate on the basis that, having suffered as a result of the Holocaust, they are somehow now exempt from being able to be held to account for anything they might do wrong themselves. To me, the suffering of the Palestinians isn't so far removed from the suffering of the Jews under Hitler - for "Sabra and Chatila", read "Warsaw Ghetto".

He seems to have an awful lot of time on his hands for someone who "digs tunnels" for a living. It's the sheer volume of text, all of it repeating the same line that points to two things: he either works for some vile pro-Zionist group or he's part of some other organisation who specialise in disseminating propaganda and disrupting boards like this.

Yeah. Or, at the very least, an extremely committed amateur - then one has to wonder what might be his motivation to devote quite so much time and effort to it...

 

[nino_savatte]

*nods* For me, one of the most saddening and scary things about the hardline Zionist position is that they seem to operate on the basis that, having suffered as a result of the Holocaust, they are somehow now exempt from being able to be held to account for anything they might do wrong themselves. To me, the suffering of the Palestinians isn't so far removed from the suffering of the Jews under Hitler - for "Sabra and Chatila", read "Warsaw Ghetto".


Yeah. Or, at the very least, an extremely committed amateur - then one has to wonder what might be his motivation to devote quite so much time and effort to it...

I hadn't considered the committed amateur but then when I think of that I start to form a picture in my head of some spotty-faced twerp with greasy skin and bad BO, flitting from the Jewish Virtual Library to Urban75, trying to convince all and sundry that he is a big hard man (of the Ulster Loyalist variety).

 

[moono]

Someone did speculate a while ago that he was a "bot" written by anti-Zionists to piss fence-sitters off so badly that they became a-Z.

Lol. The Resistance has had to commission a Post-Dumpty brigade.




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