17 I.D.F. soldiers on rape charges

[pk]

If they're guilty, which it seems they are, then the IDF can add paedophilia to its growing list of crimes against humanity...

 

[rachamim18]

Actually...

Actually, the law states that ONLY for single females. In both Jewish and Arab tradtional cultures, women can marry as young as 12 although that rarely happens anymore but you do see 14 year old brides [but then I see that here in america as well].

 

[rachamim18]

Now...the thread...

I find the thread just the usual, look at the subhuman Israelis and since noone ever talks about Arab-Israelis on this board [other than to show them as victims of Jewish Israelis] it is just another "Subhuman Jew thread" dressed up a bit. what does this have tio do with anything in the Middle-East?

Rape of any nature, and yes consensual ex with an 11 year old is rape even though there is a different cultural standard in that region [i.e. girls becoming women at 12], is reprehensible. If the men were in any uniform it is also a crime in my eyes as most Israeli kids are taught to respect a uniform much more than any western kids I have ever met. It is a double abuse.

However, it does nothing to further understanding of the region or its people unless, as Cemerty and his/her ilk argue, it just shows how nefarious Israelis really are.

 

[moono]

and since noone ever talks about Arab-Israelis on this board [other than to show them as victims of Jewish Israelis] it is just another "Subhuman Jew thread" dressed up a bit

No, I recall a lengthy discussion about the Arab-Iraeli IOF soldier who cold-bloodedly murdered the Englishman as he assisted Palestinian children.
In the interests of truth.

 

[ViolentPanda]

They use a combination of conscripts who are unfit/surplus for combat duty, NCOs who are basically unfit/surplus conscripts who sign on for keva (permenant army), and external laborers who are locals and probably vetted.

If you need low cost labor, who do you hire?

If you need low-cost labour you don't compromise your own security by employing criminals, idiots or other liabilities.
That may mean having to pay a little extra, but makes good sense.

Even Herzl admitted that a Jewish state would entail Jewish criminals.

he could hardly say otherwise, unless he wanted people to tap the sides of their heads as he passed and mutter "meshugeneh".
That doesn't mean the IDF would hire people whose lifestyle and habits would compromise internal security.

Yes to being a snob, no to having an agenda.

You would say that, wouldn't you?

 

[rachamim18]

Moono: Yes, NCO Taysir was discussed but his name and ethnicity were not brought up until way into the thread . The purpose of the thread was to disparage the IDF and Israel yet again. When Taysir's etnicity came to light [I belive from me] , then it took interesting turns. Par for the course.

 

[moono]

Disparaging Israel and its IOF is the name of the game , Rachamim. Until they go home, then their activities are their own concern.

Except their nuclear activities, but we'll get to that later.


And their nutters, of course;

Yisrael Beiteinu Chairman Avigdor Lieberman on Thursday lashed out at Israeli Arab political parties and said he hoped Arab Knesset members who had contact with Hamas or did not celebrate Independence Day would be executed.

http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/spages/712521.html

 

[rachamim18]

Going home...

Moono: Where is home Moono?

Nuclear activtiies? They are not rattling that saber at anyone so you are not making sense unless you are against nuclear arms in general.

Nutters? When will some words on the vastly greater number of Arab nutters cross cursor?

Israel is a nation, just like any other nation. It has criminals, psychopaths, and other assorted oddbalss but it also has a whole lot of good people. The problem in this forum is that people like you only care to disparage it and do not really worjk towards anything other than mucking up the field.

 

[moono]

Moono: Where is home Moono?

Oh my god, cue a white robed and bearded plonker with a redundant animal husbandry implement. Baaaaaaaah.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Oh my god, cue a white robed and bearded plonker with a redundant animal husbandry implement. Baaaaaaaah.

I see you more as a robed and hooded person of limited stature pointing to the stars and moaning "phone home".

 

[nino_savatte]

Moono: Yes, NCO Taysir was discussed but his name and ethnicity were not brought up until way into the thread . The purpose of the thread was to disparage the IDF and Israel yet again. When Taysir's etnicity came to light [I belive from me] , then it took interesting turns. Par for the course.

 

[nino_savatte]

It seems to be a case of statutory rape, not a gang rape -- there is a big difference.

Only a man could invent a term like "statutory rape". Rape is rape is rape is rape; it's violent exercise of power over another human being that has nothing to do with sexual attraction.

 

[pembrokestephen]

What is the relevance of this, apart from attempting to dehumanize the Israelis?

Mm?

 

[rachamim18]

Another day at the office.

Panda:Usual jocking.

Nino: Actually, statuatory rape is applied with little thought to actual rape. Yes, rape IS a crime of power.However, charing an 18 year old boy with stauatry rape for consensual sex with a 15 year old [as happens in some parts of America] is nonsense. The only abuse of power there is by the state.

In Israel , depending on your socio-economic status, girls are considered women at 12. School is only mandatory through 5th grade so you need to take off those cultural blinders.


This case, as I said earlier IS a crime. Uniforms are more highly respected in Israel than in most other nations. As such, these men should be prosecuted to the mx.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Nino: Actually, statuatory rape is applied with little thought to actual rape. Yes, rape IS a crime of power.However, charing an 18 year old boy with stauatry rape for consensual sex with a 15 year old [as happens in some parts of America] is nonsense. The only abuse of power there is by the state.

It isn't "nonsense" at all, it's observance of the law. In the US you have plentiful paths of changing laws if the majority believe they are in error. The fact that the laws relating to minimum age of sexual consent still stand shows that many don't share your view of a "nonsense".
It may be inconvenient for the 18 yr-old boy, and even for his 15 yr-old "partner in crime", but the law protects more than it inconveniences.

 

[nino_savatte]

Panda:Usual jocking.

Nino: Actually, statuatory rape is applied with little thought to actual rape. Yes, rape IS a crime of power.However, charing an 18 year old boy with stauatry rape for consensual sex with a 15 year old [as happens in some parts of America] is nonsense. The only abuse of power there is by the state.

In Israel , depending on your socio-economic status, girls are considered women at 12. School is only mandatory through 5th grade so you need to take off those cultural blinders.


This case, as I said earlier IS a crime. Uniforms are more highly respected in Israel than in most other nations. As such, these men should be prosecuted to the mx.

You're apologising for rape here. You make a distinction in order to claim that what these troops were doing was legitimate. It's digusting. You have no shame or honour.

 

[cemertyone]

You're apologising for rape here. You make a distinction in order to claim that what these troops were doing was legitimate. It's digusting. You have no shame or honour.

Yeah even when IDF troops are involved in raping a young child.....he still feels the need to defend them....what a cunt!!!

 

[nino_savatte]

Yeah even when IDF troops are involved in raping a young child.....he still feels the need to defend them....what a cunt!!!

I cannot believe how anyone, anyone at all, could condone or apologise for rape by deploying some quasi-legalistic argument in its defense. Presumably he looks favourably upon the likes of Gary Glitter.

It's fucking sick.

 

[rachamim18]

All the glitters...

Panda: Laws can be better tailored, certainly in that case but I fear that is far off track here.

Nino: More jocking.

Cemerty: Actually I did the opposite, unless calling for the maximum prosecution is defending them. Just shows that you fail to read even these short posts. Not suprising at all.

 

[nino_savatte]

Panda: Laws can be better tailored, certainly in that case but I fear that is far off track here.

Nino: More jocking.

Cemerty: Actually I did the opposite, unless calling for the maximum prosecution is defending them. Just shows that you fail to read even these short posts. Not suprising at all.

What is "jocking"? So you deny that you have apologised for these rapes?

 

[ViolentPanda]

What is "jocking"?

It appears that Rachamim believes he has taken control of these boards and is putting in place a police of "no joking", no divergence (unless it's his) from the subject named in the thread title, and no sarcasm (again, unless it's his).

Meanwhile, we're still in essence none the wiser as to his views n the rape of this girl, seeing as he's obfuscated and equivocated.

 

[nino_savatte]

It appears that Rachamim believes he has taken control of these boards and is putting in place a police of "no joking", no divergence (unless it's his) from the subject named in the thread title, and no sarcasm (again, unless it's his).

Meanwhile, we're still in essence none the wiser as to his views n the rape of this girl, seeing as he's obfuscated and equivocated.

It's looking desperate for him, if this is all he has left in his 'armoury'.

Should we tell him that the use of rape is, itself, a form of terrorism?

 

[rachamim18]

Nino: OFF TOPIC, but I will play the game here. YES, I DENY that I made excuses for any rapists or rape.

Panda:OFF TOPIC, but the same. "Jocking" is American slang. It means, "dick riding." I do believe it was already explained to nino. either way, I do kno0w how to spell "joking."

 

[nino_savatte]

Nino: OFF TOPIC, but I will play the game here. YES, I DENY that I made excuses for any rapists or rape.

Panda:OFF TOPIC, but the same. "Jocking" is American slang. It means, "dick riding." I do believe it was already explained to nino. either way, I do kno0w how to spell "joking."

No, it is not OFF TOPIC as you claim. You say "OFF TOPIC" because you don't want to deal with some very awkward points about your cleaner-than-clean, whiter-than-white IDF. You apologised for the rapaciousness of these IDF grunts by claiming it was "statutory rape" which, as you alluded, was not as grave a charge. I pointed out to you that rape is rape no matter which semantics you choose to apply to the crime. You were keen to deny this; in that regard you have apologised for rape.

You have no honour and no shame.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Panda:OFF TOPIC, but the same. "Jocking" is American slang. It means, "dick riding."

So not only are YOU straying off topic (shame on you), but you're accusing me of riding dicks?

I do believe it was already explained to nino. either way, I do kno0w how to spell "joking."

Really? It's hard to tell when you've just misspelt "know".

 

[rachamim18]

Nino: A "grunt" is a term normally associated with Infantry not kp and supply workers

As has already been made clear to you by others, there is a distinction to be made for stuatory rape and rape itself. I will not repeat their words here as you seemed to have at least loosely grasped it in the other thread

Panda: At least you are consistent.

 

[nino_savatte]

Nino: A "grunt" is a term normally associated with Infantry not kp and supply workers

As has already been made clear to you by others, there is a distinction to be made for stuatory rape and rape itself. I will not repeat their words here as you seemed to have at least loosely grasped it in the other thread

Panda: At least you are consistent.

No, "grunt" is used to describe any common or garden soldat.

Go on, tell me that I'm "OFF TOPIC".

 

[ViolentPanda]

No, "grunt" is used to describe any common or garden soldat.

Jah, but Rachamim, in his usual way, appears to be extrapolating his US and Israel-centric experience into a paradigm that covers the whole world.

Of course, in many nation-states' militaries the term "grunt" is actually slang for private soldiers.

There are, of course, militaries that don't use the term at all. They're usually the ones that rely on skill rather then weight of numbers to "get the job done", and whose soldiers have a bit more self-respect.

IMHO it seems to be more in favour among those militaries that are "Americanised" (usually due to all those "military instructors" the US is happy to provide at a price).

 

[nino_savatte]

Jah, but Rachamim, in his usual way, appears to be extrapolating his US and Israel-centric experience into a paradigm that covers the whole world.

Of course, in many nation-states' militaries the term "grunt" is actually slang for private soldiers.

There are, of course, militaries that don't use the term at all. They're usually the ones that rely on skill rather then weight of numbers to "get the job done", and whose soldiers have a bit more self-respect.

IMHO it seems to be more in favour among those militaries that are "Americanised" (usually due to all those "military instructors" the US is happy to provide at a price).

D'accord and given the amount of military co-operation between the US and Israel, the word "grunt" is rather appropriate.

 

[rachamim18]

Good laugh...

Yes, Panda and Nino have solved it. Bravo. Hahahahahah.....