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Stupid, stupid fuckers.

The assailant, who Israeli police said was a resident of East Jerusalem, was shot dead by an Israeli army officer.
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I mean...what about the person that did it?

Is he contemptible?
 
This will be followed with inevitable retaliation by Israel with Gunships and Hellfire rockets which will be condemmed by many. Where do you start?
 
Dexter, I think my post is quite clear. The act is contemptible, calling it "heroic" is contemptible. It is stupid, counterproductive, and will only lead to more Israeli state oppression.

If you are asking whether I know there's a context, of course I do.
 
Context? I didn't even know the Palestinians spoke English. What was the sentence/paragraph/statement?

Or are you, perhaps, taking one worded posted on a site...in "quotes" no less...and bringing your moral judgement to ring loud?

What did these contemptible Hamas say, Mr Larouge? Do enlighten me. What did they say that was so contemptible? The reports I have seen said nothing of the sort.
 
Imad Mughnieh was a top Hezbollah commander assassinated in a bombing on February 12, and the Islamist organisation had threatened to exact revenge for his death. Israel denied involvement in his killing, but Israeli MPs hailed his death as a “victory”.
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Last week, other side.

Israeli MPs hailed his death as a “victory”
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Yes, utterly contemptible. Hamas cannot claim to be for their people when they praise a lone act of mass murder that undermines all efforts for the ceasefire that both Israelis and Palestinians have said they support.
 
DexterTCN said:
Last week, other side.
Israeli MPs hailed his death as a “victory”
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Sure - I'm more and more convinced that this is a type of extreme constant-trauma induced sociopathy - on both sides, to varying degrees. One side has a powerful legitimised agent to carry out retaliatory acts of vengeance which it then cheerleads, the other side relies on lone-acts of retaliatory vengeance and cheerleads them on.

It's like a gladiator-style warfare by proxy.
 
DexterTCN said:
I'm only replying. :)
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But what is the point of your reply?

Do you, for example, think I am unaware of the context? That perhaps if you push a community about from 1947 (at a conservative estimate) to 2008 you get a reaction? Yes, I'm aware of that. But do you think walking into a seminary and killing 15 and 16 year olds is excusable? There is a difference between understanding and excusing.

You presented the "Other side". I'm well aware of the other side, and have commented on it on other threads. This thread is about a stupid, counterproductive and yes contemptible act.
 
This isn't an issue that can be resolved overnight, as some people would like to believe. Whether you believe in their cause or not, there can be no doubt that the settlers too have suffered from the years of mortal conflict between Israel and Palestine. Everyone in the settlements knows at least one person who has been killed by suicide bombers or sniper fire, and the scars are still fresh in their minds.

We met people who expressed genuine confusion that the Palestinians they worked alongside for years in the fields of the West Bank are the same figures who downed tools and took up arms as soon as the intifada erupted. The reasons might seem crystal clear to the outsider, but to the people on the ground, the events of the last few years make little sense at all.

I'm not suffering from Stockholm Syndrome, nor am I about to begin championing the settlers' cause, but I am aware that I need to provide some kind of context in terms of my previous articles on the topic. I abhor the vicious sentiments as expressed by firebrands like Nadia Matar, but at the same time I am aware that she is by no means representative of the settler community at large. Nor is she even representative of her own community; in fact, several people we met spoke dismissively of her extremist views and quietly wished that she'd take her rabble-rousing elsewhere.

This is not a plea for readers to embrace the settlers and clamber aboard the expansionist bandwagon. What it is, instead, is an attempt to shine the spotlight on the quiet majority inside the settlements, whose desire to live in peace is far stronger than any imagined urge to fight to the death. From what I've seen up to now on our tour, there is far more reason to be hopeful about rapprochement than I'd imagined before we first set foot inside their world. Their hearts are in the right place, in my opinion - it's just their houses that aren't.
http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/seth_freedman/2007/07/hope_for_the_future.html
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Only yesterday, the government demanded that 26 outposts be dismantled, among them, Migron - built on private Palestinian land. I'm concerned these dismantlements will be set back even further - it's taken years to get to this point.

There are some blocs of very militant settlers though, and these minority extremists do cause harm on a daily basis to Palestinians of all ages - Tel Rumeida is one of the worst areas for this.
 
These children - Gazan schoolchildren and Jerusalem schoolchildren have lost their lives because their parents and wider community leaders are locked in a cycle of violence and call for vengeance, condone vengeance, and are unable to broker a peace deal. Every adult in both Israel and Palestine should be thoroughly ashamed.
 
As far as the IDF soldiers are concerned, the responsiblity for their actions often lies with the officers who ordered the killing, but this isn't the case with lone acts of murder - the responsiblity lies with the murderer and whoever else he plotted this murderous act with. Let's face it - the politicians and the generals are the real criminals - they're willing to martyr others, and allow their charges to be martyred.
 
bluestreak said:
Me too.

I'm utterly sympathetic to the Palestinian cause but this is completely inexcusable.
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ditto

Unfortunately, the death of Palestinian children is a common occurrence
http://www.google.com/search?hl=iw&client=safari&rls=he-il&q=gaza+children+killed+&btnG=חיפוש&lr=

And here am I, helpless, remote - all I have is prayer, and I worry that G-d f-cked off to some other planet to start again or something, cos my prayers for peace to descend arent' being answered.
 
it really is too crazy for words atm. what could happen to stop such sheer madness? each one points to the other and says its their fault.
 
firky said:
This will be followed with inevitable retaliation by Israel with Gunships and Hellfire rockets which will be condemmed by many. Where do you start?
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..eight Israelis are killed by a lone Palestinian gunman. Such a pity. It was all peace and calm until now. Oh, there was a bit of bombing and baby-killing, some Knesset member threatening to ethnically cleanse the Israeli Arab population, the IDF planning to obliterate civilian population centres, Gaza in its worst humanitarian crisis since 1967 - but beyond that, all was going remarkably well. Israel will now presumably assert its Right to Defend Itself, perhaps by knocking off a few hundred Palestinians, and all the while sadly shaking their heads and wondering when these people will learn to love their children more than they hate Israel. And look at Hamas. Tsk. Call them partners for peace? Why, anyone would think they were angry about something. When will the hating end? Where is the love?
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Apologies for the c+p, but it says it better than I could.
 
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