Elephant and Castle Redevelopment

Minnie_the_Minx · Mar 23, 2006

What impact do you think the redevelopment will have on the surrounding areas?

Do you think it will still be pretty much working class or will it become a new cool, edgy and vibrant area for yuppies (especially considering the proximity to central London)?

There's talk that the new high rise tower block will have 399 flats (30% being affordable).

Minnie_the_Minx · Mar 23, 2006

and will people be IN the congestion zone? :confused:

salaryman · Mar 23, 2006

Minnie_the_Minx said:
Do you think it will still be pretty much working class or will it become a new cool, edgy and vibrant area for yuppies (especially considering the proximity to central London)?

There's talk that the new high rise tower block will have 399 flats (30% being affordable).

Yep. That 43-storey tower looks like yuppie-ville. The new "South Central" flats on Walworth Road (behind Shell) are for yuppies (£285k for a 2-bed!) and the ones which they're starting to build behind those (where the industrial estate used to be until a few weeks ago) will no doubt be just as, or perhaps more, expensive.

Apparently they're building a 240 room hotel, arts cinema and a new shopping centre, in which all the existing pink elephant centre shops will be given the option of a shop. They don't mention whether the rent will be the same though, so I doubt any of the existing retailers will be able to afford the new rents (except f**king Tesco)

waverunner · Mar 23, 2006

Elephant's been getting yuppified for a while now I thought.. I certainly can't afford to live there in a decent flat. Same as Brixton. Oh come on high-paying job, where are you?!

Minnie_the_Minx · Mar 23, 2006

salaryman said:
They don't mention whether the rent will be the same though, so I doubt any of the existing retailers will be able to afford the new rents (except f**king Tesco)

McDonalds

tbaldwin · Mar 23, 2006

I hope the area changes for the better...The Aylesbury and Heygate are horrible estates and the new flats they have built on the other side of Walworth rd look like they were badly designed. The area is so close to central london,minutes from Westminster on the bus but has been neglected for decades...

pootle · Mar 23, 2006

Minnie_the_Minx said:
What impact do you think the redevelopment will have on the surrounding areas?

Do you think it will still be pretty much working class or will it become a new cool, edgy and vibrant area for yuppies (especially considering the proximity to central London)?

Dunno about all that, but I reckon Southwark are going to get their asses kicked over their total failure to do a Race Equality Impact Assessment properly.

omni · Mar 23, 2006

But more importantly: Where are people going to bowl???

paolo · Mar 24, 2006

Hmmm... "yuppies"... it's as useful description (and arguably as bigoted) as "chavs".

pootle · Mar 24, 2006

omni said:
But more importantly: Where are people going to bowl???

That's a V important question. I've yet to find a bowling alley so cheap anywhere, never mind London!

citydreams · Mar 24, 2006

paolo999 said:
Hmmm... "yuppies"... it's as useful description (and arguably as bigoted) as "chavs".

So if Yuppy stands for "Young Urban Professional" what does Chav stand for?

Answers on the back of a bottle of MadDog please.

Minnie_the_Minx · Mar 24, 2006

omni said:
But more importantly: Where are people going to bowl???

Streatham

pootle · Mar 24, 2006

It's about twice the price of heffalump though.

I kid you not, you can bowl for something stupid like £1.50 at times at Heffalump!

Minnie_the_Minx · Mar 24, 2006

pootle said:
It's about twice the price of heffalump though.

I kid you not, you can bowl for something stupid like £1.50 at times at Heffalump!

I take it they're not owned by the same people then?

Brixton Hatter · Mar 24, 2006

tbaldwin said:
The Aylesbury and Heygate are horrible estates...

i was born on the heygate so i guess i'm a little

that they're knocking it down - but only for sentimental reasons. you're right of course, they are pretty rubbish now. when mum and dad moved in there in about '75 their flat was spanking brand new and mum got it courtesy of being a midwife on the NHS - what's the chances of that happening nowadays?!! she used to nip around the elephant and castle visiting the local preggers ladies on an NHS-issued bicycle!

Brixton Hatter · Mar 24, 2006

citydreams said:
So if Yuppy stands for "Young Urban Professional" what does Chav stand for?

"Cheeky Hellyhansen-Attired Vagabond"

liberty · Mar 26, 2006

E&C needs some changes the place is a dump.. The subway is pretty grim at night

Bob · Mar 26, 2006

AFAIK the plan is to start taking people out of the Heygate and putting them into new housing nearby built on a variety of bits of land that the council already owns nearby.

Then as the new stuff on the site of the Heygate is completed they'll be moved back in to roughly where they left and the next set of people from the next blocks will be moved into the same blocks that teh people from tranche 1 were in.

So everyone who currently lives in the Heygate will end up with a new place there. There are extra new flats for private sale but they are in addition to the replacement of the current housing stock not instead of it.

I think that the ability to build more flats is because a) the current flats aren't that high density due to all the dead space round the bigger ones, b) they are putting part of Elephant traffic underground and building on top.

Brixton Hatter · Mar 26, 2006

Bob said:
..So everyone who currently lives in the Heygate will end up with a new place there...

IIRC, the overall number of council properties will actually reduce by about 15%...they are expecting some people to move away or want to buy privately...so everyone who currently lives in the Heygate and wants a new place there, will get one.

Bob said:
I think that the ability to build more flats is because a) the current flats aren't that high density due to all the dead space round the bigger ones, b) they are putting part of Elephant traffic underground and building on top.

yes, i think a) is true but i thought they had shelved the idea of putting the roundabout etc underground cos it was too expensive?

Brixton Hatter · Mar 26, 2006

Elephant and Castle regeneration website

There's some good stuff on there, including proposals to get rid of the subways...

The infamous subways in part of Elephant and Castle will be blocked up and replaced with pedestrian crossings, allowing people to cross the road at street level for the first time in decades. The changes will start when the south roundabout is removed...The intimidating underground walkways have long been criticised for attracting crime and making local people feel unsafe, so the alterations will make a dramatic improvement.

The London Development Agency has confirmed funding to convert the southern roundabout into a T-junction and add striking landscaping and wide, European style pedestrian crossings this year.

Work is expected to start in June and all three subways will be removed by the end of the conversion in March the following year.

At the same time, the run down and neglected St Mary’s Churchyard will be upgraded and reinstated as the town park of Elephant and Castle. Grass mounds will be removed to improve visibility into the park and children’s play equipment will be installed.

salaryman · Mar 27, 2006

Brixton Hatter said:
proposals to get rid of the subways...

there was an article in the ES the other night about this - apparently they close off the south subway for good in august this year.

guinnessdrinker · Mar 27, 2006

liberty said:
E&C needs some changes the place is a dump..

oy, don't touch my elephant :mad:

Brixton Hatter · Mar 28, 2006

yeah, there was lots of good things about living in elephant - i was there about 95/96 - near the tube, 15/20 min walk from the river, the rec, friendly market and local shops, a few parties going on under the arches....still a bit of a shithole, but a pink shithole thank you very much!

Minnie_the_Minx · Mar 28, 2006

Brixton Hatter said:
yeah, there was lots of good things about living in elephant - i was there about 95/96 - near the tube, 15/20 min walk from the river, the rec, friendly market and local shops, a few parties going on under the arches....still a bit of a shithole, but a pink shithole thank you very much!

er, I thought it went from pink to red :confused:

I remember it when it was khaki

jæd · Mar 28, 2006

paolo999 said:
Hmmm... "yuppies"... it's as useful description (and arguably as bigoted) as "chavs".

I think yuppified means "a place where you don't get stabbed by the colourful local inhabitants". Personally I'd nuke Elephant & Castle from orbit.

guinnessdrinker · Mar 28, 2006

jæd said:
I think yuppified means "a place where you don't get stabbed by the colourful local inhabitants". Personally I'd nuke Elephant & Castle from orbit.

the elephant, apart from the notorious subways (and they've got CCTV now)there isn't an epidemy of stabbing, is actually quite safe. personally, I'd nuke you from orbit if you touched my elephant.

Brixton Hatter · Mar 28, 2006

Minnie_the_Minx said:
er, I thought it went from pink to red

I remember it when it was khaki

it was pink in 95. Then they painted it an even brighter and more shocking shade of pink in about 96 :eek:

then a few years later in about '99/'00 they painted it red.

Minnie_the_Minx · Mar 28, 2006

Brixton Hatter said:
it was pink in 95. Then they painted it an even brighter and more shocking shade of pink in about 96 then a few years later in about '99/'00 they painted it red.

yes, I remember watching it being painted. But it's red now isn't it?

Do you remember when it was pukey green?

lang rabbie · Mar 28, 2006

Minnie_the_Minx said:
yes, I remember watching it being painted. But it's red now isn't it?

They seem to have got halfway through painting the top part cream, but the rest is still red.

Minnie_the_Minx said:
Do you remember when it was pukey green?

I think aubergine was the official description

Minnie_the_Minx · Mar 28, 2006

lang rabbie said:
They seem to have got halfway through painting the top part cream, but the rest is still red.

I think aubergine was the official description

Oh I do apologise

khaki = aubergine now? More like cack

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